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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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Rendlesham forest incident

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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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it's so toxic he's also really standing

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in the clearing he turned over to my

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father and held his hand and he looked

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case back in I think it was 1965 and

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that's local to me and he also has done

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a bunch of different things I think he

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the 50s in his youth and Greg I'm really

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looking forward to that and that's

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enough for me

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alejandro how are you I am good how are

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you I am great in the great state of

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Maine and we

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I'm talking about traffic jams in

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Arizona and there's hardly even roads

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here so really well that's I don't know

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if that's good or bad that's probably

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bad hon they get all clogged up I'm

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assuming well it's good for the Moose

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but yeah it's right a moose yeah you got

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to be creative think outside of the box

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well you know who's for Transportation

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tourism here is getting heavier in

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heavier every year so winning anything

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like you know July 4th weekend coming

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boy does i-95 goes right at the state of

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Maine and it is clogged all over really

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Hampshire because there's tolls you know

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they have to go through tolls and stop

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with a toll and that clogs everybody up

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so it's always a pain so I like being up

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in the mountain away from everybody

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well I think that gives me an excuse to

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plug something and since this is alive

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you can't stop me where's the music

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Roswell I'm gonna be in Roswell this

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weekend so that's exciting ufo-related

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it's gonna be like my eighth year or

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something going out there I did miss one

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year but it's always a lot of fun and

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they have the most amazing fireworks

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display there's a fireworks company out

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there so it's like 45 minutes and you

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think the whole thing and it's the

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finale cuz they're just tons and tons I

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think they just blew up all their extra

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ones out there it's incredible you would

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not imagine it in this little town in

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the middle of nowhere in New Mexico but

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of course it'll be fun and I will be

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seeing Tom and Dawn there and hearing

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what they have to say

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of course they are in the limelight they

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are quite notorious at this moment

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because of the Roswell slides stuff you

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have the lingering and lingering mm-hmm

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yep we'll see how long it lingers but

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that so what's going on with the news

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the news it's too late you already did

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talk about it but I should mention I not

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much about it but today is Canadian Day

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Canada Day

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so we do have a story up written by a

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Canadian Chris Bukowski and he runs a

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site up there where they do a lot of

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really good work on following sightings

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and he wrote this story about the top 10

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strangest Canadian UFO reports and he

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based it off of UFO researchers

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investigators that he pulled so that's

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kind of fun after Canadian day story

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that's up there and I kind of sprung

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that on you so you probably don't have

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to link up yet it's not there you hoser

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i'm hoser i you know I've been

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refraining from saying a and hoser even

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though it's a lot of fun and before the

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show started we were doing quite a bit

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of it and I just started thinking if

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it's Canada Day shouldn't we be

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celebrating them and not making fun of

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them not that's uh that is celebrating

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them yeah it's okay it'd be awesome to

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be able to talk like that you will you

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convinced me eh

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yeah all right so otherwise though

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speaking of other news in other

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countries we've posted a story and this

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was given to us by Andres Muller he has

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a fourteen kind of website frontier

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science he calls that website in Germany

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that's very popular and he'll send us

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stories once in a while and this is a

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really interesting one so the federal

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administrative Supreme Court of Germany

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has forced the essentially the German

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government to release this UFO file I

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guess they haven't done it yet but

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there's a scientific organization that

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did a report on UFOs and the German

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government has not wanted to release

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this even though people know it exists

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it was created by their scientifical

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service is what they call it and I guess

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it has to do with Germany and the UN

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resolution to release UFO information

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but it's been kind of a long fought

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battle for UFO researchers to see this

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paper and soon they will because the had

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to go all the way up to the Supreme

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Court of Germany to release this

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document so it's a really interesting

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file or a story

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and that should be coming out soon and

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as far as that UN resolution it actually

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got watered down

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it was a UN I can't remember the exact

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word but something like you and

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suggestion it came out to be but if

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people aren't aware in the 1970s Eric

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gairy of Grenada had got really into

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UFOs he said he had a sighting and he

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went to the UN as a Ewing you know

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country delegate and said we need to

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release information on UFOs and share

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information and create a department at

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the UN then investigates UFOs it got

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stalled for a year this was I think 76

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to 77 and 78 and finally it came out as

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kind of this UN I can't remember the

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word but it is like a suggestion or

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something like that which it just means

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that it got watered down to the point

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but it did get voted on and passed on

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the records where all of the UN

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countries were to share their UFO

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information with the UN and then they

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would all share it amongst each other in

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these countries and never came out to

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fruition we've had some interesting

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stories come out and Lee Spiegel has

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written about this because Lee Spiegel

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actually organized yeah he was involved

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he organized a presentation at the UN

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for this thing and we have found out

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later on that the UK government

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especially was really against the whole

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thing and in the background was lobbying

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against it so really interesting story

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and I guess this German paper is about

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their implementation of this UN

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resolution so it ought to be interesting

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to see but pretty cool pretty cool news

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there did you get an idea of exactly

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when that will be released no the story

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doesn't really go into when it may be

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released at just that just recently the

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ruling had come down I see okay however

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andreas Muller did get other UFO FILES

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recently released and that we have a

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link to that story and that's another

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story he had given us in the past as

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well so of course we don't speak

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so we got a relay or rely on some of the

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points that he made on those files but

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there's some stuff that somewhat

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interesting it's kind of like the

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WikiLeaks UFO stuff that came out it

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wasn't really exciting our

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groundbreaking but it was interesting

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kind of stuff Nine's but I can see it

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touch yeah that's German isn't it yeah

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yeah wow you are you have latent talents

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that come out periodically and you're

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just a person like blatant I think is

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more like hey before we go on to the

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next show I just want to announce our

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listeners that art Bell is coming back

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on this network and it's coming up I

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think I want to get this wrong I think

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it's July 20th and you can actually go

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to the dark matter radio or dark matter

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digital I'm sorry media network it has

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changed the URL has changed and you can

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find where you can support our art for

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as little as like five dollars a month

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for a subscription listen to all these

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shows you know these shows over five

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days a week so I am just I'm looking at

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I'm getting a message I think from the

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producer of the show right here so dark

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matter digital network.com there it is

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Thank You Keith dark matter did you know

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that was I just stunned that that's

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where you want to go and you can sport

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art it's midnight in the desert you can

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see the link right there and I'm really

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excited about that but we can go ahead

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and move on with the news if you'd like

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yeah I'm super excited too and what's

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funny is we wrote a story on that and we

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included some of these fan trailers that

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are popping up on YouTube and ever since

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then I've gotten at least two or three

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other messages from people that have

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said oh you know I created a fan trailer

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check it out at least one of them I

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posted on my facebook and the guy was

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really cool he's like oh thank you and

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it was a great trailer but there's all

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these fan trailers for art fellas show

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coming up popping up on YouTube which is

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pretty cool everybody's really excited

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about it I am

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as well yeah and I think he'll really

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like you know staring his own boat being

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in charge of the digital yeah in charge

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of the media he's on or you know of

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course with Keith's help but he'll be in

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charge and and so there won't be any of

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the typical BS that's happened to him in

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the past so yeah it's really exciting

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very exciting speaking of exciting it's

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the next exciting finding that I want to

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share with everybody which has to do

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with Bob Lazar so many of you probably

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know of course Bob Lazar is the alleged

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whistleblower who came out and said I

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worked at area 51 or specifically at

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this s4 facility near area 51 but he

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kind of fluent area 51 and was bused

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there and he says he back engineered

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alien technology well he says that he

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also worked at Los Alamos which is

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another secret kind of a place where

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secret projects are worked on and and he

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says he has degrees from Caltech and MIT

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well none of this could be for confirmed

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there's no teachers that have come or no

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students you know colleagues of his had

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said oh yeah I went to school with them

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nor has there been anybody to come

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forward and say yeah I work with him at

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Los Alamos now George Knapp who is an

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investigative journalist he's won

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something like a numerous Emmy Awards

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and this guy is a real-deal George Knapp

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I'm a huge fan of his if he says it it's

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real integrity and journalistic

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integrity is a big deal to him I believe

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what he has to say and he says he has

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spoken with people that worked with

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lazar at Los Alamos but they don't want

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to come forward because they're afraid

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of getting in trouble well Jeremy Korbel

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who you've had on the show who's had

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who's done some documentaries including

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on Bob Lazar he debated and he's had

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this online debate going on with Stanton

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Friedman but he just recently released

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just last weekend that oh when he was on

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coast-to-coast am with George Knapp that

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he found a physicist who worked at Los

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Alamos with Bob Lazar and this guy has

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willing to come forward in fact I wrote

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a story about it and he shared with me

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this link that talks about this guy he's

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dr. Robert Crangle and he is a physicist

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you know he's an impressive person

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that's why this magazine had done a

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story on him and some of his work but

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this guy has come forward and said that

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yeah I worked with Bob Lazar he says I

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know Bob Lazar was a physicist with the

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security clearance at Los Alamos one of

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the reasons he knows this is he was in

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me security meetings with Bob Lazar and

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these I guess are kind of routine

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meetings where people are told now

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remember you're working on secret

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projects who don't tell anybody about it

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apparently Bob Lazar was asleep at the

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meetings he did go out and tell people

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about it but he also says you know he

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just knew from being around there that

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Bob Lazar was a physicist so it doesn't

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prove that Bob Lazar was working on

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alien technology

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but what it does demonstrate is that he

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was a technician and arguably a

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scientist at Los Alamos well at least it

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helps bolster that claim and so the

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question is why has Los Alamos been

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denying that Bob Lazar worked at Los

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Alamos if he actually did so it's just

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more mystery it could be proving that

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Bob Lazar isn't lying at least in that

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you know Los Alamos is is trying to

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erase his existence or working with them

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there which is awfully mysterious and

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George Knapp makes another point a

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couple points that if we could prove he

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worked at Los Alamos who cares about his

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college degree his degrees because Knapp

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has not been able to confirm that he has

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these degrees that he claims to have and

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that if he was a technician at Los

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Alamos which is an important place then

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it's possible he did work at area 51

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yeah I'm still I got to tell you I'm

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gonna get some people mad at me and

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maybe you go for you a little bit but

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I'm still totally on the fence about Bob

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Lazar and now Matt's gonna get really

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mad at me in the message board but and

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here's the thing you know my

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brother-in-law

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a chemist at Los Alamos for many years

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and and you know there was it's you know

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I had a conversation with him he says

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you know there's nine to 13 thousand

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people working there at any given time

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including about six to eight hundred

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subcontractors that are working there

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there's hundreds and hundreds of

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buildings and he said you know for him

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to remember someone that he met that was

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not close friends with back in the 1980s

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is basically you know I want to say

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almost impossible like what would make

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Bob Lazar stand out he said if he was

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famous he was well-known or you know

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famous in his field or something like

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that yes of course you'd remember him

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but if he was not a standout person it

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would be really difficult to you know to

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remember him and and well how did this

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come up how did he all of a sudden say

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oh yeah I knew Bob Lazar and I know that

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some of it had to do with supposedly a

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friend had given him a tape but one of

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the things my brother-in-law said was

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simply ask Bob Lazar what division and

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group he was in and just leave it at

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that don't give him any hints just ask

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him that question no but anyway how dare

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you not believe all of this first you

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don't believe in the Roswell slides now

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this no I agree with you I'm a fence

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sitter on this thing too although I did

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totally disagree with that argument I

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think that's kind of silly I know people

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I worked with or I went to school with

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in 1980 I can easily remember of course

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I'm not gonna remember every kid at my

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school but I'm gonna remember a few

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people so there's got to be people out

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there like dr. Crangle who remember Bob

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Lazar if he really worked out there so I

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mean that's completely possible not only

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that this is an interesting part of the

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story

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it's Jeremy was using BOTS I don't know

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where the hell he got these are or how

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he uses them but there are thirty spots

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that go out to your Facebook they're

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looking at your Facebook so he's like

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the NSA but he's grabbing people talking

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about Bob Lazar and he'll go look to see

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what they're doing anyway they said this

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person just said

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my neighbor says he worked with Bob

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Lazar so Jeremy got ahold of that guy

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eventually became friends with the

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neighbor and then neighbor said yeah I

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really did work with Bob Lazar so I mean

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that's why this person never came

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forward before that would make sense so

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all right I mean yeah but I'm open to

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the fact that it's possible but also

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it's I want to say closer to improbable

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than possible but you know if it's if it

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really if it's really you know factual

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great it's just it's kind of a little

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bit of a mystery that's all yeah it's

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funny right after I posted this story

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within a minute John Alexander pounced

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and he's sending me emails this is

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ridiculous I worked at Los Alamos he

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wasn't there so it's kind of funny it's

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certainly out of nine or ten thousand

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people how are you gonna tell who's

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there and who's not you know well even

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if he wasn't no you wouldn't know if I'm

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for John Alexandre to say you know he

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was no exactly I know for examle and you

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know your point about subcontractors is

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exactly correct in fact dr. Crangle told

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Jeremy that most of the employees out

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there are subcontractors now and I think

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we hear this a lot fact most of the

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people that the federal government hires

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these days are contractors the

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percentage is super-high they've talked

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about this lately but yeah you've got

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you've got a number of great points

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there I think though I give this guy the

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benefit of the doubt just because of his

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really impressive impressive background

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and there's no reason that this person

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should be putting his reputation on the

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line for making statements like this so

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it's entirely possible almost it's still

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a big leap from working on

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extraterrestrial spacecraft that's right

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so so no closer to that and you know I

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mean I listened to the interview and you

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know he did sound you know pretty cool

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and stuff like that you know there are

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people out there just looking for a

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little fun a little Fame sure you know

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so I don't know I'm not a hundred

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percent into it but anyway

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Peter I told him we'd be calling him

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five minutes ago he's waiting by the

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phone so we gotta go Alejandro but it's

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been great thanks so much for doing this

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live all right and we will see you later

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next week all right II think thanks a

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national UFO Reporting Center good

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afternoon

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well hello Peter how are you it's Martin

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from podcast UFO welcome to the show

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Thank You Martin good to be here and

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looking forward to this always enjoy

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talking about my favorite subject UFOs

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yes I've always enjoyed your great

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enthusiasm when you're giving your UFO

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reports it's always always a lot of fun

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and there's a lot of ground I want to

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cover and you know we can talk about

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what's going on lately but first of all

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you know I want to say again welcome to

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the show and how did you get interested

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in this topic computer yeah I think I

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can honestly say I'm interested in it

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because in I think it was July of 1954 I

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saw a UFO as a young boy with my entire

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family with literally hundreds of other

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people who saw the same thing that a

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dragon theater and I've been captivated

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by the subject ever since clearly

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something as immense magnitude and

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gravity is taking place on this planet

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and most people don't know about it

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frankly now that I am a scientist much

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older and a scientist by training I

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consider this this is the field of

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ufology to be the most compelling and

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the most important scientific subject

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that has ever stood before man well I'm

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I'm afraid I'm hooked to it that is

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quite the statement and you know I have

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to agree it's funny I have I have a son

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that's always been you know very

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skeptical of this and and he enjoys me

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talking about the show and you know

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guests and things going on and he's

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starting to say things like wouldn't it

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really be something if this is you know

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this is really happening

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you know how exciting would it be be so

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you know it would make the world a lot

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less boring I think he said something

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like that boy that's the truth

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if if the UFO phenomenon is a real

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phenomenon

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it adds an immense new dimension to our

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understanding of the galaxy and universe

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that we live in yeah I believe it does I

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believe we are dealing with a real

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phenomenon I wouldn't have spent the

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last 21 years of my life running the

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national UFO Reporting Center if I

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didn't feel that way frankly yeah yep

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now when you had this sighting back in

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1954 you said your family witnessed it

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as well whether other people involved

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hundreds of people in a drive-in theater

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on the south side of the st. Louis

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Airport and I have written up a

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description a detailed description of

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what happened and posted it to our webs

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the national UFO Reporting Center

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website UFO center.com

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and people can read my description of

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what happened and it's not just a

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question of whether I might have been

541
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,220
making something up because whenever my

542
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:52,200
family got together my parents and my

543
00:23:58,940 --> 00:23:55,380
older brother and I got together we

544
00:24:01,759 --> 00:23:58,950
would talk about it what did we see what

545
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:01,769
did it look like what did it do and so

546
00:24:06,259 --> 00:24:04,260
on and so forth and there must have been

547
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:06,269
at least hundreds of people in that

548
00:24:13,629 --> 00:24:09,240
drive-in theater that night it was in

549
00:24:15,860 --> 00:24:13,639
July of 1954 I believe was the case I

550
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,870
remember that because I remember the

551
00:24:25,149 --> 00:24:18,240
automobile that we were sitting in and

552
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:25,159
we we had that automobile in 1954 so

553
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:28,980
July of 1954 Lambert field st. Louis

554
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,250
Airport was a dramatic sighting an

555
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:35,700
object as big as a full moon in the

556
00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:38,039
night sky the color of a traffic red

557
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:43,409
traffic signal and it was initially when

558
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:45,450
I first saw it it was hovering

559
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,510
motionless in the night sky suddenly as

560
00:24:53,899 --> 00:24:50,460
I was looking at it it suddenly

561
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:53,909
accelerated and went right across the

562
00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:57,270
airport it executed an s-shaped turn

563
00:25:03,919 --> 00:24:58,470
over the

564
00:25:06,889 --> 00:25:03,929
McDonald Aircraft Corporation and that

565
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:06,899
was a the whole sighting I estimate

566
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:12,179
Martin lasted I would say perhaps 10

567
00:25:18,879 --> 00:25:15,809
seconds at the outside Wow it was a

568
00:25:23,169 --> 00:25:18,889
really quite a quite a dramatic sighting

569
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,179
uh-huh yeah and interestingly my father

570
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:25,919
was in the air traffic control tower at

571
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:27,330
the time on the other side of the

572
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,049
airport the North back in 1954 the tower

573
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,240
was on the north side of the st. Louis

574
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:35,940
Airport now it's on the south side but

575
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:37,769
he was standing in that tower on the

576
00:25:41,629 --> 00:25:39,240
north side of the airport

577
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:41,639
looking at the object with binoculars as

578
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:44,730
were the air traffic controllers on duty

579
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:47,610
at the time Wow amazing

580
00:25:53,899 --> 00:25:50,450
did they notice on on the radar as well

581
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:53,909
don't know I was six and a half years of

582
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:56,809
age at the time and yeah if I had been

583
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:00,480
67 instead of 6 I would have been asking

584
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:03,450
them those questions but at 6 and a half

585
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:07,830
I didn't ask the questions that a good

586
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,470
seasoned investigator should and would

587
00:26:16,639 --> 00:26:12,960
ask yeah of course I just wondered if

588
00:26:17,869 --> 00:26:16,649
later on if the subject came up where

589
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:17,879
your father might have mentioned that or

590
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:22,559
not I don't recall at this time

591
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:24,840
now whether other sightings that you see

592
00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:27,779
was he was he always in it was he an air

593
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,870
traffic controller no he was an

594
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:33,360
executive for a major American airline

595
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,049
and we were at the airport that evening

596
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,659
because he had to do some work at his

597
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:42,419
office and of course back in the 50s

598
00:26:47,629 --> 00:26:44,250
things were much different than they are

599
00:26:51,019 --> 00:26:47,639
today he knew probably most of the

600
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:51,029
people who worked at the airport and so

601
00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:53,070
he happened to go up into the air

602
00:26:59,659 --> 00:26:56,600
traffic control tower to visit with his

603
00:27:05,360 --> 00:26:59,669
friends who were were air traffic

604
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:05,370
control operators and they were just

605
00:27:10,609 --> 00:27:08,100
standing up there gabbing I presume when

606
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,619
they saw that object on the south side

607
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:11,940
of the airport

608
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:14,940
well now one of the things I wanted to

609
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:16,710
talk to you about tonight was you were

610
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:20,730
involved in incident Exeter's getting on

611
00:27:26,419 --> 00:27:23,730
that might be jumping too far ahead

612
00:27:27,139 --> 00:27:26,429
because I was back in 65 right that's

613
00:27:32,629 --> 00:27:27,149
correct

614
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,639
September 3rd it occurred and I was

615
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:34,559
involved in it through an act of

616
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:38,129
serendipity I worked for a newspaper in

617
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,350
southern New Hampshire at the time I

618
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:43,200
lived in East Derry New Hampshire oh

619
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,090
yeah most people are familiar with the

620
00:27:48,879 --> 00:27:47,340
state know where Derry Derry New

621
00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:48,889
Hampshire is popular place for

622
00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:53,429
politicians to go and talk now and I

623
00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:55,799
worked for the Derry news for about

624
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:00,809
probably nine or ten months and somehow

625
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:04,289
someway the editor and I got on the

626
00:28:13,159 --> 00:28:07,820
subject of UFOs and he was an absolute

627
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:13,169
dyed-in-the-wool skeptic and in about

628
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:18,059
the first week of september 1965 the

629
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:19,799
year i graduated from high school in

630
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,539
Derry we had a very dramatic sighting in

631
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:26,399
Exeter it was covered by the Manchester

632
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,990
union leader and my editor read that

633
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:32,700
article and he came to me and he said

634
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:35,610
Peter you're now a cub reporter I want

635
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:39,679
you to go up to Exeter New Hampshire and

636
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:42,779
get a story for us about this sighting

637
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:45,870
so I made several trips up there I

638
00:28:54,139 --> 00:28:50,190
talked to the two police officers Hunt

639
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:54,149
and Bertrand who had seen the object

640
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,559
while they were standing together I

641
00:29:02,659 --> 00:28:58,679
talked to a hitchhiker a young 18 year

642
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,669
old boy who had been chased by a disc

643
00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:06,000
out on a rural Highway near Kensington

644
00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:08,669
New Hampshire AG technically speaking

645
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:12,269
the sighting occurred in Kensington not

646
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:15,539
an Exeter Exeter police force was

647
00:29:23,629 --> 00:29:19,860
involved so I wrote a two-part article

648
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,639
that was published in mid-september 1965

649
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:25,860
and in

650
00:29:32,419 --> 00:29:30,059
the year 2000 actually wrote the piece

651
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:32,429
on the incident for an incident of

652
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:36,809
Exeter for Ronald DS story who edited

653
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,539
the UFO encyclopedia wrote the piece

654
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:45,779
about the incident have Exeter was a

655
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:48,539
really very interesting very dramatic

656
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:51,779
and that was my second experience with

657
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:55,110
UFOs Wow can we for the listener out

658
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,970
there that's not familiar with that case

659
00:30:01,700 --> 00:29:59,760
I think it's it's one of the it's one of

660
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:01,710
the big cases well I think it's probably

661
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:05,580
in the top 20 or 30 I would imagine as

662
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:07,769
time goes on I don't know how you feel

663
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:10,740
about that but yeah it was pretty

664
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:12,360
dramatic and a lot of people were

665
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,169
involved there it really started not in

666
00:30:20,299 --> 00:30:18,299
the wee hours of the morning when the

667
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:20,309
hitch-hiker his name was Norman

668
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:23,730
muscarello as I recall was chased by the

669
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:26,600
object that the incident had started

670
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:30,830
apparently about four hours earlier

671
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:34,490
officer Bertrand was on patrol and he

672
00:30:41,779 --> 00:30:37,950
came upon a what they call a roundabout

673
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,789
a traffic circle up there and as I

674
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:44,399
remember there was a car that was parked

675
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:47,940
in the center of the traffic circle

676
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,059
which was very unusual cars don't go

677
00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:55,440
there it's it's grass so he investigated

678
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:58,230
and he found a woman who was hunkered

679
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:00,750
down on the floor of the backseat and

680
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:04,529
her dog as I remember was hunkered down

681
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:08,070
on the floor in the front seat and she

682
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:10,500
was telling when he approached the car

683
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:13,590
she started explaining to the officer

684
00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:17,070
that she had been chased by a disc from

685
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:22,830
a nearby town and in desperation trying

686
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:24,210
to get away from her she pulled up on

687
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:27,720
the traffic island well he didn't know

688
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:29,850
what to make of that but she was taken

689
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,630
to the hospital as I recall and later

690
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:35,820
that night about 2:00 or 2:30 in the

691
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:39,510
morning he heard a call

692
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:43,310
to all units from their headquarters in

693
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,290
Exeter to the effect that a young man

694
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:49,440
had just burst into the Exeter police

695
00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:53,480
force office and he was quite excited

696
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:57,420
quite muddy obviously he'd been in a

697
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:00,840
swamp or thicket or something like that

698
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:03,320
which was had indeed been the case

699
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:05,280
talking about how he had been

700
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:08,190
hitchhiking on a rural road near

701
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:11,700
Kensington and he had been approached by

702
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:14,160
a saucer that scared him so badly

703
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:17,220
started running in final desperation he

704
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,090
jumped into swamp which was on one side

705
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:24,210
of the road and hunkered down over under

706
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:27,210
some bushes the object that had chased

707
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:30,450
him pulled right above him and it

708
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:33,420
rotated 90 degrees so it's now pointed

709
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,970
the edge of the disc is pointed down at

710
00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:38,880
him and he said it hit its high beams he

711
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:41,550
said he's never seen light as bright as

712
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:45,090
that so I interviewed all of these

713
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:47,730
people who were involved and I was left

714
00:32:54,650 --> 00:32:52,200
convinced that they had experienced

715
00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:54,660
something quite real and to them at the

716
00:33:00,860 --> 00:32:57,270
time quite frightening right what did

717
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:00,870
you ever think of the the supposed

718
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:05,520
debunking of a air plane refueler and

719
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:08,040
did you ever hear that one oh I've heard

720
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:13,320
a lot of attempts to debunk it or claim

721
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:16,470
it wasn't true but I talked to the

722
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:19,410
witnesses literally days after they had

723
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:23,690
had their experience and one of the

724
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:26,700
police officers officer Bertrand had

725
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:30,150
been in the US Air Force and the notion

726
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:35,240
that he would mistake refueling aircraft

727
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:40,310
for a UFO is just utter nonsense so

728
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:43,800
these these claims always come forward

729
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:48,000
are always presented after a major event

730
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:50,910
like that has occurred I suspect there's

731
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:53,370
a concerted effort on the part of

732
00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:56,990
I suspect the government to discredit

733
00:34:01,930 --> 00:33:59,850
the case and if they can't discredit the

734
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:01,940
case they'll try to discredit the people

735
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:05,580
right Peter we're having just a little

736
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,620
bit of sound issue I'm wondering if you

737
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:09,720
could make sure that you're you're right

738
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:13,170
up to your your phone you bet a little

739
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:15,930
better that is better yes okay yeah

740
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:20,010
let's up now let's talk about new fork

741
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:23,970
is that the first this is a you you

742
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:26,490
actually man basically most of the work

743
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,710
on that don't you yeah I'm the only

744
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:31,440
person here and I wanted to say that I

745
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:34,050
was I can't believe you can do it I

746
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:36,810
don't that's it's a it's been a major

747
00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:39,810
effort for sure and some days I wonder

748
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:42,600
how I've done it and most days I wonder

749
00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:46,770
why I've done it but I think the

750
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:49,380
principal driving force is what I

751
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:51,030
mentioned earlier it's the greatest

752
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:53,730
scientific question before mankind are

753
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:56,010
we alone in this universe or are we not

754
00:35:02,840 --> 00:34:59,490
and clearly the answer to that question

755
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:02,850
from my seat here at the national UFO

756
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:05,420
Reporting Center is we are not alone and

757
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:08,940
there is some fundamental relationship

758
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,450
between these creatures that we presume

759
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,950
navigate in these ships that are being

760
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:16,740
reported to us that we are not yet aware

761
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:21,270
of and if we can prove that they are

762
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,660
there and maybe we can talk about my

763
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:26,640
proposal for doing that later in the

764
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:30,240
program sure using passive radar if we

765
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:32,010
can prove they're there it's the

766
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:34,110
greatest scientific discovery of all

767
00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:34,730
time

768
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:41,070
show that this is such a passing

769
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:45,150
phenomena that cannot be repeated it's

770
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:47,610
it's there like you mentioned early on

771
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:49,650
that sighting where there was a 10

772
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,530
second involvement and what you saw and

773
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:54,960
a lot of times that's all you have the

774
00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:58,650
other day yesterday I was in Boston and

775
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:01,470
something caught my eye and in this guy

776
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:03,060
and I went to get my phone and by the

777
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,170
time it by the time I got my phone ready

778
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,599
take a picture it was already gone but

779
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:11,640
by the way it's kind of funny and ended

780
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:13,470
up being a blimp and it was like going

781
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,770
through the trees so um but I really you

782
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,119
know something caught my eye and it

783
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,180
looked different and not a lot of times

784
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:23,940
you just don't have time to react yeah

785
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:25,290
you know they're startling and you're

786
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:28,470
like trying to find you know now we have

787
00:36:32,809 --> 00:36:30,450
we all walk around with cameras now

788
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:32,819
basically on our phones or most a lot of

789
00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:35,940
people do but it's still - you know the

790
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:39,470
when I had mice I had a sighting back in

791
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,780
2006 that and by the way I'm gonna talk

792
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,460
a little bit about this I had no idea

793
00:36:49,099 --> 00:36:46,859
that it could be reported I didn't even

794
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:49,109
know that was an option when I had my

795
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:52,680
sighting though really the last thing I

796
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:54,089
would have thought of is grabbing a

797
00:37:00,980 --> 00:36:57,089
camera no I was just so mesmerised in

798
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:00,990
like what the heck happens often happens

799
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,960
people are so focused on this strange

800
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:05,579
object that they're looking at before

801
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,069
them that they don't even stop to think

802
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:10,950
to get a photographic record of it right

803
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:15,599
right and so about reporting UFOs like I

804
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,950
just mentioned the only thing I could

805
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:18,000
think of was called the police

806
00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:19,950
department which I did I got the

807
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:21,869
runaround it was it was not a fun

808
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:26,010
experience but I had no idea who to call

809
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,980
but even with that going on

810
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:31,920
I'm saying maybe I'm an I don't know if

811
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:33,630
I'm would you consider an average person

812
00:37:39,859 --> 00:37:36,089
out there but um I was a person that had

813
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:39,869
not seen anything before that happened

814
00:37:45,859 --> 00:37:42,650
I didn't know what to do and I think

815
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,869
that has got to be a major percentage of

816
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:47,880
people that have sightings they must

817
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:50,250
come up with the same thing I don't know

818
00:37:54,289 --> 00:37:52,770
where to go with this and well some of

819
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:54,299
them think to go online and take a look

820
00:38:00,799 --> 00:37:58,380
but I didn't yeah most 911 facilities

821
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:00,809
across the country know about our car

822
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:05,160
center so if a person dials 911

823
00:38:10,309 --> 00:38:07,049
telephone and goes to the local

824
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,319
emergency response center they most of

825
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:13,920
them perhaps all of them by now have our

826
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:17,099
contact information both silently

827
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:19,950
website as well as a hotline telephone

828
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:20,610
number

829
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:22,590
they should have given that to you I

830
00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:25,260
guess there may still be a few Luddites

831
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:28,550
out there that don't have it some

832
00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:33,330
hangers on but most people if they call

833
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:36,270
the local 9 1 1 facility will be given

834
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:38,790
our number isn't that amazing that's

835
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:43,080
great I think that's great and you know

836
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,100
one of the things I was thinking about

837
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,560
all these reports come in would you have

838
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:48,900
a guess of how many per year that you

839
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:54,450
handle yes I am posting probably about

840
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:58,110
between 6,000 and 10,000 reports per

841
00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:01,320
year although we get vastly more than

842
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:04,950
that most people do not want to submit a

843
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,290
written report it's one of the hardest

844
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,200
things and in this job is trying to get

845
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:13,680
people to write down what they've seen

846
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:16,020
most people just want to talk about it

847
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:18,390
they want to call they'll chitchat for

848
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:20,820
maybe 5 or 10 minutes most people want

849
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:23,670
30 or 40 or 50 minutes to tell me the

850
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:25,530
whole story and I try to stop them from

851
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,650
doing that what I want people to do if

852
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,000
they believe they've been witnessed

853
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,520
through UFO is write out a detailed

854
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:35,190
description of what it was they saw and

855
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:38,360
submit it using our online report form

856
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:43,050
so we get many more calls than we get

857
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:46,650
reports and what people see on our

858
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:51,390
website probably represents a third of

859
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,270
what we receive so for example in the

860
00:40:00,190 --> 00:39:57,000
month of June we posted between five and

861
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:00,200
six hundred reports to our website and

862
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:05,970
that might represent all the thousand or

863
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:10,470
1500 contacts we had and most of those

864
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,150
people don't follow up with a report

865
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:14,910
it's great tragedy and here's an

866
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,550
interesting factoid a margin that you

867
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:20,520
might find very interesting it is my

868
00:40:25,070 --> 00:40:23,820
estimate now after having done this job

869
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:25,080
for 21 years

870
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:29,820
it is my estimate that out of 20,000 or

871
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:34,080
so Americans who witness what they think

872
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:37,620
may have been a UFO only one out of

873
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:40,950
20,000 will ever reported one out of

874
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:48,390
20,000 my god I had no idea I I have

875
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:54,020
been in rooms like unconferences where

876
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:57,090
the speaker for instance Richard Dolan

877
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,640
once said how many people think they

878
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:01,560
have seen UFO and watch the hands and

879
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,490
then how many people reported it and you

880
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,640
know it's just just a few hands go up

881
00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:11,040
now and here's the thing about that if

882
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,350
these people are at a convention about

883
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:16,380
UFOs they're more likely to be the type

884
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:17,970
of person that would have reported it

885
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:21,020
than not so then you factor all that and

886
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:26,400
and so if you do the math you come up

887
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:30,150
with an enormous amount possible

888
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:33,900
sightings per year I mean I'm having a

889
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:39,240
ball um yes I agree and it's very

890
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:43,890
frustrating to us who know that most of

891
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:46,230
the reports are falling through the

892
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:50,040
cracks it's very frustrating that we're

893
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:53,160
not receiving those reports and I have

894
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:55,950
never heard so many excuses in all my

895
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:58,980
life as I've heard running a UFO hotline

896
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:02,420
as to why people cannot write it down

897
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:05,100
cannot write down the details of their

898
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:07,170
sighting it's sort of disheartening

899
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:11,310
actually but fortunately there's some

900
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:13,950
diligent many diligent people out there

901
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:18,570
enough so we're getting a fairly steady

902
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:21,630
stream of high-quality reports from

903
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,150
those relatively few people who are

904
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,980
willing to write it down and report it

905
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,560
if you had to guess why a person

906
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,320
wouldn't go through with the report once

907
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,200
they contacted you what why would you

908
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:36,420
think that might be the possibility you

909
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:38,370
know I don't think we have enough time

910
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:41,070
time remaining in this program for me to

911
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,660
cite all of the excuses that people have

912
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:47,220
leveled at me

913
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:50,250
it's it's just amazing a lot of people

914
00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:52,890
say well they're in a sensitive business

915
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:55,860
I am governing about that they would

916
00:43:00,590 --> 00:42:58,530
pull their top-secret security clearance

917
00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:00,600
and they lose their job at the solid

918
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:04,860
landfill something like that and on and

919
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:06,810
on they don't want their family to know

920
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:09,600
they don't want this person to know they

921
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:12,990
it's just amazing the excuses that

922
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,170
people will come up with that will get

923
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,000
them off the hook of white writing just

924
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:19,920
one or two or three paragraphs to

925
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:22,320
describe what they saw well in a way I

926
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,660
understand you know the ridicule factor

927
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:26,880
is all part of that because you know

928
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:29,370
just uh for instance going on further

929
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:31,260
about the sighting I had I told one

930
00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:33,600
person that I worked with the the

931
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:35,340
following in Monday or whatever it was

932
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:39,150
and I said now don't tell anybody and

933
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:42,540
you know it wasn't too long you know

934
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:45,150
maybe a couple days later there was you

935
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:46,940
know there was a lot of teasing going on

936
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:51,090
mm-hmm well that's the advantage of

937
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:53,250
having a national UFO Reporting Center

938
00:43:59,780 --> 00:43:56,250
and we do essentially the same thing

939
00:44:02,570 --> 00:43:59,790
that MUFON does they do a good job at

940
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,580
collecting reports as well but that's

941
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:05,640
where the guaranteed anonymity comes

942
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:08,340
into play because if a person reports to

943
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:11,250
our Center and we post the report nobody

944
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:13,530
will ever know who had submitted the

945
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,720
report so they don't have to worry about

946
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:18,560
ridicule nobody will know who they are

947
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:21,600
who have submitted the report to our

948
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:23,910
Center you know we have a message up on

949
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:25,470
the message board that kind of dovetails

950
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,500
this and that is a Matt wants to know I

951
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:30,780
wanted to know why that witness

952
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:32,760
information wasn't up there and I

953
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:35,730
realized that is you know with anonymity

954
00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:39,330
you can get truthful information and a

955
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,630
lot of information out there however is

956
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:44,940
there ever a point where someone wants

957
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:47,600
to be contacted by someone who

958
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,610
investigates a particular case or

959
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:52,740
something like that you bet but most

960
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:56,040
cases in my opinion usually do not

961
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:58,380
warrant the amount of resource you have

962
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,740
to dedicate to an investigation

963
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:04,200
an object a distant object in the

964
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:08,250
daytime or nighttime sky probably does

965
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:12,660
very little good for an investigator to

966
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:17,310
go out and interview the the witness if

967
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:19,080
it's just a distant object we'll

968
00:45:25,099 --> 00:45:21,750
probably never know what it is or what

969
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,109
it was what I encouraged people to do

970
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:27,720
and they can be their own investigators

971
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:31,050
and people we live in a society in which

972
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:33,270
everybody expects somebody else to do

973
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:35,339
the work that's why committees are so

974
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:38,970
popular but in fact the witness can do a

975
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:42,839
great deal by contacting the press radio

976
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:45,930
television and newspapers to apprise

977
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,830
them of that person sighting and to ask

978
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:51,660
them if the person can get some

979
00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:54,570
publicity or if the news media would

980
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:57,150
publicize it and encourage anybody else

981
00:46:01,570 --> 00:45:58,500
you might have seen the same thing to

982
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:01,580
come forward but for some strange reason

983
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:04,910
people hesitate to do that even though

984
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:08,460
the press is often willing to impart

985
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,580
anonymity to a witness I don't

986
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:14,040
understand it in fact the young people

987
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,609
are sort of interesting it's it's a bit

988
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:20,220
distressing when I encourage them to

989
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,180
contact the press more often than not in

990
00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:26,369
dealing with a person who's maybe 25 or

991
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,109
younger they'll say who is that they

992
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,800
don't know who the press is or are and I

993
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:37,680
say well radio television and newspapers

994
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:39,750
and they say well do you have any

995
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,740
telephone numbers for them and I say no

996
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,839
they're in your area look them up in the

997
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:48,300
telephone book and apprise them of your

998
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:49,859
sighting and see if you can get some

999
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:53,970
publicity and almost invariably they do

1000
00:47:01,640 --> 00:46:57,320
not do that it's very strange

1001
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:01,650
you know one thing I I work with almost

1002
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:05,339
30 young people in a start-up I do a lot

1003
00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:07,890
of them are 25 or under most of them in

1004
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:10,589
every single person there knows that I

1005
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,880
do this show and no not one person

1006
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:18,240
gives me our time about it and and that

1007
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:20,010
some of them listen to it some may be

1008
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,160
listening right now so good I think it's

1009
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,260
a good thing that young people are you

1010
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:27,660
know interested in this subject because

1011
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:30,270
and this is going to segue into my next

1012
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,690
question you know we need this to carry

1013
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:35,940
on it's very important I believe the

1014
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:38,490
same way you do but speaking of carrying

1015
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:42,900
on with with all the work you do and

1016
00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:45,110
you're really totally totally dedicated

1017
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:48,750
do you have a predecessor someone that

1018
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:52,170
will pick up when you're ready to see

1019
00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:54,420
how down a little bit yeah

1020
00:48:00,020 --> 00:47:57,990
that's pretty well provided for that

1021
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:00,030
eliminates the possibility of somebody

1022
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:02,070
being able to eliminate the hotline by

1023
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:06,960
eliminating me so that's we've made a

1024
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:10,950
provision for that and the person is

1025
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:13,470
aware of it and is willing to take it

1026
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:15,810
over in the event that I'm not able to

1027
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:19,500
do it and that's a good point I have an

1028
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:22,710
immense amount of material most of all a

1029
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:25,170
database that now has about a hundred

1030
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:29,570
and eight thousand the entries in it and

1031
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:33,090
that that work should be continued it's

1032
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:35,340
far more important something far more

1033
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:38,550
important than the welfare of one single

1034
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:42,390
individual and so do you think this

1035
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:45,690
person or people would have the same

1036
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:47,790
dedication that you have

1037
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,370
well once I started taking calls and

1038
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:52,020
receiving reports I think they would

1039
00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:56,370
it's it's an addictive pastime if you're

1040
00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:00,330
interested in UFOs in the first place to

1041
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:05,550
have free rein of the hotline is an

1042
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:07,710
immense luxury because you see what's

1043
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,560
going on not just across the United

1044
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,200
States but around the world with respect

1045
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,960
to the UFO phenomenon now one of the

1046
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:18,000
things you know MUFON is another place

1047
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:21,420
where people call in and you know give

1048
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:24,270
reports those investigations and and all

1049
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:27,770
that has there ever been any talk about

1050
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:30,080
type of unity between different

1051
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:32,810
organizations even internationally that

1052
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:35,570
you're aware yes everybody wants all

1053
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:38,570
these UFO organizations to unify and one

1054
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:41,630
person wants control of it and to date

1055
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:44,450
I've avoided that MUFON has actually

1056
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:49,030
proposed that to me so that our

1057
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:53,270
databases are merged but I've decided

1058
00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:54,950
that I really don't want to do that I

1059
00:50:00,160 --> 00:49:57,320
don't want to have worked for 21 years

1060
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:00,170
only to give all my information away for

1061
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:04,250
free so I think a little competition is

1062
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:08,750
probably a good thing because if there

1063
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:13,400
were one body that would controlled all

1064
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:17,090
of the flow of information and that

1065
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:20,630
entity decided to make a decision that

1066
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:23,510
the contributors were not pleased with

1067
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:26,180
it would end up it would be sort of the

1068
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,020
Greek the Greek syndrome alluding to the

1069
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:33,440
situation in Greece this week many of

1070
00:50:38,590 --> 00:50:36,440
them would want to withdraw mm-hmm so I

1071
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:38,600
think a little competition is a good

1072
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:42,590
idea and there enough UFO sightings and

1073
00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:46,400
sighting reports to keep all UFO

1074
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:49,100
organizations plenty busy if we're

1075
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:52,970
catching oh if my estimate is right that

1076
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:55,940
only one out of 20,000 UFO reports has

1077
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,010
ever ever reported by the witness then

1078
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:04,400
there's plenty of work to be done still

1079
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:10,190
and we done enough for many UFO

1080
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,320
organizations is what I'm trying to say

1081
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:13,760
mm-hmm

1082
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:15,170
up on the message board we had a

1083
00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:17,590
question someone wanted to know

1084
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:21,320
basically what your thoughts were of the

1085
00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:25,130
government if well it remains to be seen

1086
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:26,840
whether the government's covering up I

1087
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,210
think there's in my opinion it's a

1088
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:32,000
possibility that there's some fragment

1089
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:33,590
of the government at least that has

1090
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:36,230
covered up in the past possibly still or

1091
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,420
most likely still I would say because

1092
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:40,640
you know there's still reports coming in

1093
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:41,690
to the Air Force and that

1094
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:44,450
just hush-hush but what do you think it

1095
00:51:48,070 --> 00:51:46,340
would take this is the question on the

1096
00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:48,080
message board what do you think it would

1097
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:49,820
take for the government to finally admit

1098
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:53,000
that these things are happening well I

1099
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:54,650
think it's going to take an overt

1100
00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:56,690
display something like the Phoenix

1101
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:01,550
lights back in 1997 March of 97 so that

1102
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:05,020
the government's position has just made

1103
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,640
extraneous they've been lying to the

1104
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:10,400
American people about UFOs I believe

1105
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:13,610
since the 1940s after you've been lined

1106
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:15,770
for that length of time and a subject of

1107
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,570
that gravity of that importance then

1108
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:22,640
it's very difficult to do an about-face

1109
00:52:30,730 --> 00:52:27,340
and say well we've been lying to you for

1110
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:30,740
67 years but now we're going to come

1111
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:32,510
clean and tell you what's really going

1112
00:52:38,590 --> 00:52:35,390
on so they've painted themselves into a

1113
00:52:40,750 --> 00:52:38,600
corner and they're probably trying to

1114
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:40,760
figure out what's what they're going to

1115
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:44,780
do if there's a really dramatic overt

1116
00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:49,340
display of UFO presence in the

1117
00:52:55,330 --> 00:52:52,430
near-earth environment and in fact we're

1118
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,340
getting a lot of reports that in my

1119
00:53:02,350 --> 00:52:58,400
opinion fall under that category a lot

1120
00:53:05,470 --> 00:53:02,360
of reports and the most interesting

1121
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:05,480
phenomenon currently in my opinion is

1122
00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:09,410
the reports of displays of clusters of

1123
00:53:16,570 --> 00:53:13,160
red orange yellow amber and gold orbs or

1124
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:16,580
fireballs call them what you will we

1125
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:18,140
really don't have an adequate term

1126
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:19,580
because we don't know what these things

1127
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:23,330
are and we probably will not know until

1128
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:26,390
we have a long-handled butterfly net

1129
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,210
that allows us to reach up and snag one

1130
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:30,800
of these things and bring it down to the

1131
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,930
laboratory bench that the US government

1132
00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:38,720
is a strange bird in fact my greatest

1133
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:41,060
concern is not the UFOs my greatest

1134
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:45,220
concern is the possibility that our

1135
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:48,890
governments are now coordinating their

1136
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:54,590
activities with you with alien creatures

1137
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:55,790
and when I look at what the US

1138
00:54:01,420 --> 00:53:58,610
government is now doing to the American

1139
00:54:03,070 --> 00:54:01,430
people instead of for the American

1140
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:03,080
people which is what they should be

1141
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:05,660
doing in my opinion I get very concerned

1142
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:09,680
and some of the examples are the US

1143
00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:12,670
government seems dedicated to taking

1144
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:14,840
firearms away from the American people

1145
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:17,840
that's not their job of course under

1146
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:19,700
article 6 paragraph 2 of the

1147
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:22,460
Constitution any public servant who

1148
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:25,220
takes an oath of office swears and

1149
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:27,590
testifies to the effect that he's he or

1150
00:54:33,730 --> 00:54:31,280
she is going to defend and protect the

1151
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:33,740
Constitution against all enemies foreign

1152
00:54:38,350 --> 00:54:36,530
and domestic and suddenly as soon as

1153
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:38,360
they take office they're trying to

1154
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:42,340
re-engineer the country and re-engineer

1155
00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:47,060
individual citizens lives so when I see

1156
00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:50,540
this take place and I ask myself why are

1157
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:51,560
they doing that

1158
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:54,410
and I bounce it off the UFO phenomenon

1159
00:55:00,610 --> 00:54:56,900
it makes me wonder what's going on in

1160
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:00,620
Washington DC clearly those people know

1161
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:04,730
about UFOs if I can with nothing more

1162
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:07,340
than a telephone a computer a tape

1163
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:11,090
recorder and a dedicated webmaster can

1164
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:13,940
collect a hundred and eight UFO 108

1165
00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:17,210
thousand UFO reports and post them i

1166
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:20,780
canna met just imagine how many the US

1167
00:55:25,150 --> 00:55:23,360
government must have in its files must

1168
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:25,160
be in the millions you know that's right

1169
00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:27,530
that's that is while you're mentioning

1170
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:29,840
this I mentioned earlier that I didn't

1171
00:55:34,780 --> 00:55:32,170
know who to call when I had my sighting

1172
00:55:36,430 --> 00:55:34,790
the Air Force is one of the things on my

1173
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,440
mind like should I call the Air Force

1174
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:39,440
and I imagine that a lot of people do a

1175
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:41,390
question up on the message board and by

1176
00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:42,710
the way if you're listening live you can

1177
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:44,840
jump in to the message board it's right

1178
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:48,290
on podcast UFO we're taking calls in the

1179
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:52,310
second second hour of the show and you

1180
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:56,060
know this darn chatroom just goes away I

1181
00:56:02,010 --> 00:55:58,940
mean here we go what is your point of

1182
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:02,020
view on the most effective way for

1183
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:04,310
disclosure to take place other than

1184
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:06,740
you're saying a massive sighting yeah

1185
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:08,010
well

1186
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:10,500
I've been over that ground before it's a

1187
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:12,420
very good question that's very pertinent

1188
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:15,780
and my response is very simple please

1189
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:17,310
read the paper

1190
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:20,040
that is posted to the homepage of the

1191
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:23,790
national UFO Reporting Center the paper

1192
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:28,230
in which I described the use of passive

1193
00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:31,140
radar for detecting the presence of UFOs

1194
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:35,340
in the near-earth environment the the

1195
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:38,010
paper was written in preparation for a

1196
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:40,500
presentation at the MUFON symposium in

1197
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:45,780
Denver in July of 2004 and the day MUFON

1198
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:49,020
published the abstract the one paragraph

1199
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:52,200
abstract of my paper I got a telephone

1200
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:54,330
call from a senior officer at the

1201
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:56,190
Central Intelligence Agency in

1202
00:57:03,650 --> 00:56:59,940
Washington DC he called from his office

1203
00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:03,660
it was during daylight hour during work

1204
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:07,320
work hours and he said Mr Davenport I am

1205
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:10,740
so-and-so he said I am a senior officer

1206
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:12,840
at the Central Intelligence Agency I've

1207
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:16,260
been with them for over two decades he

1208
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:19,320
said to let you know how senior I am I

1209
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:22,050
am the person who gives President Bush

1210
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:26,220
his daily briefing every morning at 6:30

1211
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:29,369
a.m. he said a retired colleague of mine

1212
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:32,340
just sent me a copy of the abstract of

1213
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:33,000
your paper

1214
00:57:39,260 --> 00:57:36,359
he said if you build the radar system

1215
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:39,270
that you describe in your paper he said

1216
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:42,060
you will be successful in answering the

1217
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:44,430
question of whether UFOs are real or not

1218
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:47,910
he didn't say he he chose his words very

1219
00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:50,280
carefully of course he didn't say you

1220
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:53,940
will detect UFOs because that probably

1221
00:57:58,940 --> 00:57:56,580
would have had him violating a secrecy

1222
00:58:01,700 --> 00:57:58,950
oh he just said you will be successful

1223
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:01,710
in answering the question of whether

1224
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:03,390
UFOs are real or not

1225
00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:06,150
well we've had several conversations and

1226
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,820
exchanged emails since that first

1227
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:11,040
conversation that first conversation

1228
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:15,270
occurred on the 6th of July 2004 this

1229
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,270
guy is very interested in UFOs and he

1230
00:58:25,219 --> 00:58:21,839
described to me he's a PhD

1231
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:25,229
a PhD in physics he described to me the

1232
00:58:31,459 --> 00:58:28,170
fact that during the first decade or two

1233
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:31,469
of his work at the CIA his principal

1234
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:35,099
responsibility was building passive

1235
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:37,319
radar systems for the clandestine

1236
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:40,619
detection of targets so that tells me

1237
00:58:48,229 --> 00:58:45,049
several things one that my proposal for

1238
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:48,239
breaking down the barriers to UFO

1239
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:52,319
secrecy has merit to it it also tells me

1240
00:58:57,319 --> 00:58:54,930
that the US government knows fully well

1241
00:58:59,749 --> 00:58:57,329
what's going on and they probably are

1242
00:59:04,729 --> 00:58:59,759
operating passive radar systems all the

1243
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:04,739
time and see UFOs I suspect on a daily

1244
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:07,640
basis hmm Wow

1245
00:59:14,749 --> 00:59:10,710
amazing so that is on your that's on the

1246
00:59:18,709 --> 00:59:14,759
new Fork website yes it's been there for

1247
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:18,719
11 years and I rarely rarely get a

1248
00:59:26,839 --> 00:59:21,839
comment but I solved the problem we can

1249
00:59:28,579 --> 00:59:26,849
build a passive radar system and many

1250
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:28,589
people probably are not familiar with

1251
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:31,049
passive radar but if they go to our

1252
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:34,529
homepage last Wednesday we updated the

1253
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:38,160
homepage and I put some links and some

1254
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:41,640
articles about passive radar on our

1255
00:59:48,979 --> 00:59:44,609
homepage and people can read about it

1256
00:59:52,219 --> 00:59:48,989
and they will see that human beings we

1257
00:59:55,729 --> 00:59:52,229
mere citizens and civilians are now

1258
00:59:59,779 --> 00:59:55,739
because of the developments in computers

1259
01:00:03,309 --> 00:59:59,789
and the global positioning system we are

1260
01:00:06,499 --> 01:00:03,319
now able to detect UFOs and track them

1261
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:06,509
by ourselves we don't need to rely on

1262
01:00:11,989 --> 01:00:09,170
the government anymore to do that for us

1263
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:11,999
well I think that's pretty exciting and

1264
01:00:18,859 --> 01:00:16,249
what I've been touting this system for

1265
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,869
over 20 years I've been to four

1266
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:19,680
billionaires

1267
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:22,890
I've explained it to one and I've sent

1268
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:25,920
letters to the others and we could build

1269
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:29,670
this system out of pocket change in

1270
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:32,960
their coffee fund and yet I have yet to

1271
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:35,650
receive any funding

1272
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:38,650
for my proposal yes it's very strange

1273
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:41,560
yeah yep there's a few other people out

1274
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:43,210
there with some ideas we can talk about

1275
01:01:24,060 --> 01:00:45,370
that a little bit in the second hour

1276
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:27,640
okay we're an hour - and we're live with

1277
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:31,730
Peter Davenport and in this hour again

1278
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:35,090
we could take phone calls as well as you

1279
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:37,820
can jump in the message board on the

1280
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:40,610
message board at podcast UFO comm and

1281
01:01:45,970 --> 01:01:42,770
once again that phone number is six oh

1282
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:45,980
three nine six seven four OH three oh

1283
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:49,130
you still there Peter I'm still with you

1284
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:51,710
and I gather from your area code that

1285
01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:53,530
you must be located in New Hampshire

1286
01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:58,040
that's I am actually I am north of New

1287
01:02:01,090 --> 01:01:59,390
Hampshire and for some reasons Skype

1288
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:01,100
gave me that number I wasn't even living

1289
01:02:05,350 --> 01:02:03,170
in New Hampshire at the time I'm in

1290
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:05,360
Maine the great state of Maine oh yeah

1291
01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:07,130
up on top of a mountain where there's

1292
01:02:13,390 --> 01:02:10,760
beautiful views no UFOs yet and lots of

1293
01:02:15,490 --> 01:02:13,400
mosquitoes and black flies

1294
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:15,500
oh yeah the black flies now you're

1295
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:17,570
you're located is in Washington

1296
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:20,030
Washington State I'm in the Eastern

1297
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:22,430
Washington the national UFO Reporting

1298
01:02:27,370 --> 01:02:25,220
Center and this hotline used to be in

1299
01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:27,380
Seattle until nine years ago and then I

1300
01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:29,840
moved to a more rural part of the state

1301
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:32,840
so I'm about 50 miles west of Spokane

1302
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:35,660
now you know I took a trip up through

1303
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:37,690
there a few years ago and it it's

1304
01:02:43,570 --> 01:02:41,330
absolutely beautiful Nate it is gorgeous

1305
01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:43,580
mm-hmm I absolutely loved it I wanted to

1306
01:02:50,740 --> 01:02:47,870
see Mount st. Helens no I don't say

1307
01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:50,750
intelligent scene Helens yeah that whole

1308
01:02:55,690 --> 01:02:53,720
area you know yep but just drove right

1309
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:55,700
up all the way up through into Canada

1310
01:02:59,410 --> 01:02:57,560
and it was absolutely gorgeous really

1311
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:59,420
had a wonderful time one of my favorite

1312
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:01,940
areas of the country yeah oh it's a

1313
01:03:05,860 --> 01:03:03,560
beautiful place to live if I didn't live

1314
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:05,870
here I would live in Vermont New

1315
01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:08,450
Hampshire or Maine I love those places

1316
01:03:14,110 --> 01:03:11,120
they're wonderful except for the winter

1317
01:03:17,170 --> 01:03:14,120
but that's another podcast I'm going to

1318
01:03:19,930 --> 01:03:17,180
be back there in September for my 50th

1319
01:03:22,570 --> 01:03:19,940
high school reunion and Derry oh really

1320
01:03:24,819 --> 01:03:22,580
Wow about looking forward to it yeah

1321
01:03:26,019 --> 01:03:24,829
how about that okay

1322
01:03:28,449 --> 01:03:26,029
you were talking you you're just

1323
01:03:30,969 --> 01:03:28,459
blocking your phone calls I think you

1324
01:03:32,979 --> 01:03:30,979
just said in between our our show break

1325
01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:32,989
and how many calls would you guess that

1326
01:03:37,779 --> 01:03:35,029
you get per day Oh

1327
01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:37,789
a typical day is we get somewhere

1328
01:03:43,749 --> 01:03:40,789
between 10 and 50 calls per day it's

1329
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:43,759
highly variable and probably two-thirds

1330
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:46,609
of those are ufo-related the others are

1331
01:03:53,469 --> 01:03:51,049
from radio talk show hosts or news

1332
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:53,479
people who are seeking information or

1333
01:04:04,359 --> 01:03:58,160
personal calls so I would say on average

1334
01:04:07,150 --> 01:04:04,369
I get about 20 to 25 reports every day

1335
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:07,160
over the telephone but as I mentioned

1336
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:11,209
earlier I suspect it's not over a

1337
01:04:16,779 --> 01:04:13,609
quarter or a third of those people who

1338
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:16,789
call and want to tell me all about their

1339
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:20,450
sighting not over a quarter or a third

1340
01:04:25,449 --> 01:04:23,630
of those people who call follow up with

1341
01:04:26,349 --> 01:04:25,459
the written reports and we lose all that

1342
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,359
information

1343
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,640
I guess writing a paragraph or two has

1344
01:04:34,029 --> 01:04:30,799
become too difficult for most Americans

1345
01:04:34,989 --> 01:04:34,039
now do you sometimes almost feel like

1346
01:04:36,939 --> 01:04:34,999
writing it yourself

1347
01:04:39,849 --> 01:04:36,949
after you have the discussion with them

1348
01:04:41,709 --> 01:04:39,859
you just won't do it themselves I don't

1349
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:41,719
want to do it if that's too much for

1350
01:04:48,249 --> 01:04:44,569
them I probably don't want their report

1351
01:04:48,999 --> 01:04:48,259
anyway yeah yeah I see you have to be

1352
01:04:53,049 --> 01:04:49,009
dedicated

1353
01:04:57,819 --> 01:04:53,059
outspoken aggressive determined resolute

1354
01:04:59,499 --> 01:04:57,829
and if they are not that I allow for the

1355
01:05:02,650 --> 01:04:59,509
possibility that their call may have

1356
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:02,660
been a prank call and I'm sure that

1357
01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:05,599
happens Oh 60%

1358
01:05:11,949 --> 01:05:09,349
some days I asked mate 60% of the calls

1359
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:11,959
or prank calls from young rude

1360
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:14,930
oftentimes foul-mouthed Americans

1361
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:17,569
generally males but not always all that

1362
01:05:23,049 --> 01:05:20,690
sad I'm glad that you you keep

1363
01:05:25,749 --> 01:05:23,059
persisting at doing this even through

1364
01:05:28,689 --> 01:05:25,759
all that that's still yeah well that's

1365
01:05:30,430 --> 01:05:28,699
it's not very pleasant I'd I don't know

1366
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:30,440
what's wrong with young Americans

1367
01:05:37,299 --> 01:05:31,910
they're different from the way they were

1368
01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:37,309
when I was that age and they it's very

1369
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:38,630
strange and tragic

1370
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:41,420
they apparently don't have enough work

1371
01:05:46,569 --> 01:05:43,849
or enough responsibility in their lives

1372
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,579
to keep them busy so their form of

1373
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:49,119
recreation is to call somebody and

1374
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:52,130
scream quadruple x-rated profanity

1375
01:06:02,980 --> 01:05:58,490
anthem boy very strange yeah now for

1376
01:06:06,759 --> 01:06:02,990
people do people actually send email to

1377
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,769
you as well report that way they do but

1378
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:09,200
it's a wasted effort what we ask people

1379
01:06:13,870 --> 01:06:11,960
to do if they've seen a UFO they're

1380
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:13,880
welcome to call the hotline if it's been

1381
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:16,609
within the last week or so but the the

1382
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:19,490
telephone call is almost an extraneous

1383
01:06:27,609 --> 01:06:23,599
part of the process because it doesn't

1384
01:06:29,740 --> 01:06:27,619
serve to capture the information I often

1385
01:06:32,289 --> 01:06:29,750
equate it to sitting at a red light in

1386
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:32,299
your powerful pickup truck and racing

1387
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:35,089
the engine it makes you feel good it

1388
01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:37,160
sounds good it draws attention but it

1389
01:06:41,499 --> 01:06:38,839
doesn't do anything

1390
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,509
the only kind of rapport that we can use

1391
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:44,799
is a detailed carefully prepared

1392
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:48,799
objective factual grammatically correct

1393
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:51,740
statement that describes the the

1394
01:06:57,249 --> 01:06:54,170
sighting or the incident that the person

1395
01:06:59,499 --> 01:06:57,259
is reporting sufficient sufficient

1396
01:07:02,200 --> 01:06:59,509
detail so that another person reading

1397
01:07:05,049 --> 01:07:02,210
the report can understand clearly what

1398
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:05,059
it all looked like to the original

1399
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:07,039
witness that's what we asked people to

1400
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:09,890
do and some days you think we're asking

1401
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:14,390
for their firstborn but there are a lot

1402
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:16,250
of people who nevertheless do follow

1403
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:18,650
through and submit those reports and

1404
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:20,690
those are the ones that you see on our

1405
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:26,720
website at UFO Center calm now do you

1406
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:28,180
ever send information out to

1407
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:31,730
investigators oh yes okay so can you

1408
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,950
talk about how that works yeah usually

1409
01:07:39,299 --> 01:07:36,559
we send it out to MUFON witness or a

1410
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:39,309
MUFON investigators field investigators

1411
01:07:45,490 --> 01:07:42,710
we prefer I prefer to deal with them

1412
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:45,500
because they're a known quantity they're

1413
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:47,720
under supervision of the state director

1414
01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:49,940
who usually is a pretty professional

1415
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:51,560
person

1416
01:07:58,410 --> 01:07:54,680
and also most of all we know that if we

1417
01:08:02,740 --> 01:07:58,420
hand a case off to a MUFON investigator

1418
01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:02,750
the the witness's anonymity is going to

1419
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:07,400
be preserved that's one of their one of

1420
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:09,650
their characteristics one of their

1421
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,770
guarantees is just as the national UFO

1422
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:15,920
Reporting Center guarantees and on a

1423
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:19,130
MIDI so does MUFON so we know that the

1424
01:08:25,270 --> 01:08:22,910
witness is going to be protected so we

1425
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:25,280
just had a case like this it's posted to

1426
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:30,170
our website a case in West claims I

1427
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:31,760
think it's West Plains or High Plains

1428
01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:34,730
Oregon there's a photo on our homepage

1429
01:08:42,610 --> 01:08:40,220
and Tom Bowden who's the state director

1430
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:42,620
for MUFON contacted me shortly after we

1431
01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:45,650
posted that report and requested contact

1432
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:48,140
information which I gave him and they're

1433
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:49,850
in the process of investigating that

1434
01:08:56,170 --> 01:08:53,420
case now although again a point I made

1435
01:08:59,890 --> 01:08:56,180
earlier in this program is once an

1436
01:09:02,110 --> 01:08:59,900
object has been seen and is gone unless

1437
01:09:05,950 --> 01:09:02,120
it was on the ground and left marks

1438
01:09:07,690 --> 01:09:05,960
broken branches compression marks in the

1439
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:07,700
ground and so on and so forth

1440
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:10,460
it's my opinion that there's not much

1441
01:09:16,210 --> 01:09:14,000
that can be done particularly if you

1442
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:16,220
wait more than four or five days after

1443
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:22,370
the event if you place publicity in the

1444
01:09:28,780 --> 01:09:24,890
news media immediately after the event

1445
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:28,790
you might be successful in causing other

1446
01:09:33,070 --> 01:09:30,470
people who've seen the same thing to

1447
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:33,080
come forward but after four or five days

1448
01:09:38,829 --> 01:09:37,010
my opinion is that most people even if

1449
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:38,839
they had a dramatic sighting will have

1450
01:09:43,329 --> 01:09:41,810
forgotten about it or will be unwilling

1451
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:43,339
if they haven't already come forward

1452
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:46,370
they'd probably be unwilling to come

1453
01:09:51,730 --> 01:09:48,650
forward in response to a request from

1454
01:09:54,340 --> 01:09:51,740
investigators but yeah we we deal with

1455
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:54,350
MUFON investigators on a fairly routine

1456
01:10:01,480 --> 01:09:58,760
basis that's good now when did the

1457
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:01,490
hotline itself start at the same time

1458
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:04,400
that you began with the website you said

1459
01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:05,480
it was 21 years ago

1460
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:08,390
well that's when I took it over from the

1461
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:11,150
founder and my predecessor mr. Robert

1462
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:15,160
Gribble he was a retired Seattle fireman

1463
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:19,870
who set up the hotline in October of

1464
01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:23,360
1974 so we're coming up on our 41st

1465
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:24,920
birthday here very soon

1466
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:31,520
and he turned it over to me in I think

1467
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:33,980
it was August of 1994 he'd done it for

1468
01:10:40,030 --> 01:10:36,590
20 years and I think he was pretty well

1469
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:40,040
worn out and I after I've done it for 21

1470
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:43,070
I understand why he would have been worn

1471
01:10:48,370 --> 01:10:45,800
out because it takes a great deal of

1472
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:48,380
energy and a great deal of devotion and

1473
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:53,060
dedication to keep the thing running and

1474
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:56,210
a great deal of expense mm-hmm

1475
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:00,050
it's run out of my pocket largely really

1476
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:04,520
so but that's when it started was in

1477
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,870
October of 1974 and ironically that's

1478
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:10,640
just about the time I moved to Seattle

1479
01:11:16,150 --> 01:11:13,910
that has often made me wonder whether

1480
01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:16,160
there was something behind my moving to

1481
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:19,190
Seattle that I'm not aware of that I

1482
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:23,540
took it over in August of 1970 in 1994

1483
01:11:28,690 --> 01:11:26,290
and I've been doing it ever since a

1484
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:28,700
question up on the message board how

1485
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:32,210
confident were you that the person was

1486
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:36,290
actually talking with Bush's CIA

1487
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:39,260
briefing guy I'm sorry that sounds a

1488
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,930
little convoluted I mean I think is yeah

1489
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:44,960
he's the person probably alluding

1490
01:11:48,850 --> 01:11:47,390
alluding to the guy who called hang on

1491
01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:48,860
just a second Peter we have a call come

1492
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:52,460
in mm-hmm caller thanks for calling

1493
01:12:00,700 --> 01:11:55,250
please identify yourself and give a

1494
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:00,710
question I'm calling you

1495
01:12:06,610 --> 01:12:03,830
hi I'm calling to ask Peter question

1496
01:12:11,170 --> 01:12:06,620
regarding he said earlier on that he had

1497
01:12:13,090 --> 01:12:11,180
been in contact with CIA gentlemen and I

1498
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:13,100
just want to know how he vetted the

1499
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:16,490
gentlemen I guess he said he was Bush's

1500
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:19,070
the guy who gave Bush the

1501
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:21,250
daily briefings at 6:30 in the morning

1502
01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:23,540
yeah so I just wanna know how you've

1503
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:27,950
added that gentleman how I what how you

1504
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:30,650
vetted vetted him make sure that I was

1505
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,200
this it turns out that this individual

1506
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:35,600
who worked for the CIA is very very well

1507
01:12:41,530 --> 01:12:39,040
known in the CIA community and he has

1508
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:41,540
lines of communication with a lot of

1509
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,670
people in the CIA in the UFO community

1510
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:47,840
I've talked with him a number of times

1511
01:12:57,610 --> 01:12:53,840
I've exchanged email with him he's he's

1512
01:13:00,460 --> 01:12:57,620
quite well known and I've told the story

1513
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:00,470
to enough people who know him well I

1514
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:03,290
know people who have worked for him and

1515
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:06,170
they assure me that he has a very real

1516
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:09,020
and very keen the interest in the CIA or

1517
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:14,290
in the UFO phenomenon so there's there's

1518
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:17,690
virtually no doubt in my mind but he was

1519
01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:20,810
who he said he was right right okay well

1520
01:13:25,450 --> 01:13:22,430
that's X I this I just wanted to make

1521
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:25,460
sure that that point was that really

1522
01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:27,170
understood by the folks in the tack room

1523
01:13:32,410 --> 01:13:29,480
you know it's a very very good question

1524
01:13:35,170 --> 01:13:32,420
and please bear in mind I used to work

1525
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:35,180
in military intelligence too I used to

1526
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:37,010
be a Russian translator for the Army

1527
01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:40,550
Security Agency so I am sensitive to the

1528
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:42,020
type of issue that the caller just

1529
01:13:50,650 --> 01:13:45,320
raised and would not allow myself if I

1530
01:13:54,940 --> 01:13:50,660
could help it to be deceived that easily

1531
01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:54,950
I require evidence in fact most of our

1532
01:13:59,740 --> 01:13:56,870
listeners would be quite surprised to

1533
01:14:02,230 --> 01:13:59,750
learn just how skeptical I am when

1534
01:14:05,140 --> 01:14:02,240
somebody calls me over the hotline or

1535
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:05,150
sends me an email or emails a formal

1536
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:08,570
report just how skeptical I am about

1537
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:11,450
most reports people have to convince me

1538
01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:14,360
with their evidence most of all with

1539
01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:16,280
their behavior too you can tell a great

1540
01:14:20,980 --> 01:14:19,160
deal about a person just from that

1541
01:14:23,770 --> 01:14:20,990
person's voice over the telephone is

1542
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:23,780
this a serious person or is this is not

1543
01:14:32,190 --> 01:14:29,600
a serious person and so I'm they have to

1544
01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:32,200
convince me that there's here

1545
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:33,580
his person they're calling about a

1546
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,310
serious sighting and so on and so forth

1547
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:38,400
so the the caller raises a good point

1548
01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:41,530
well thank you okay well thanks Martin

1549
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:43,960
just one last comment I just I've always

1550
01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:47,190
believed that within the UFO community

1551
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:50,350
we ourselves must be better stewards

1552
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:53,980
with our information and of course

1553
01:14:58,620 --> 01:14:57,010
that's proved out with various hosts

1554
01:15:01,710 --> 01:14:58,630
that have been perpetrated on your whole

1555
01:15:03,330 --> 01:15:01,720
community by not only also nevertheless

1556
01:15:06,150 --> 01:15:03,340
thanks gentlemen I appreciate the

1557
01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:06,160
answers thank you for the call and the

1558
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:10,390
caller raises another good question and

1559
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:14,290
that is how many people there may be who

1560
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:17,310
call themselves ufologists whose

1561
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:21,820
ultimate objective is really to deceive

1562
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:24,610
people and to get people off the scent

1563
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:29,080
of very good cases this I saw this in

1564
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:31,270
the Phoenix lights case and I've seen it

1565
01:15:37,860 --> 01:15:34,510
several times with regard to the

1566
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:37,870
sightings of these fireballs that I

1567
01:15:44,970 --> 01:15:40,890
alluded to earlier in the program people

1568
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:44,980
sending me a message saying well you can

1569
01:15:50,190 --> 01:15:47,890
you can cancel that report because I

1570
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:50,200
found the people who launched the

1571
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:53,650
Chinese lanterns I was going to bring

1572
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:57,090
that up yeah it's very tempting to

1573
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:00,640
delete a case or to qualify a case so

1574
01:16:05,070 --> 01:16:02,290
people will know that it was Chinese

1575
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:05,080
lanterns but I'm in the habit of going

1576
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:08,410
back to that witness or the person who

1577
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:11,500
supplied that information and asking for

1578
01:16:17,730 --> 01:16:14,110
the actual street address where the

1579
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:17,740
launch was initiated or who did it or

1580
01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:20,620
how many were launched and usually those

1581
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:23,260
people just go away they don't they

1582
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:25,570
don't want to provide those details and

1583
01:16:30,570 --> 01:16:28,930
in many cases I assume they don't want

1584
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:30,580
to provide the details because they

1585
01:16:36,690 --> 01:16:33,610
don't have the details their initial

1586
01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:36,700
report was a prank to try to get me off

1587
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:39,700
the scent so you have to be very careful

1588
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:43,530
in this field absolutely and speaking of

1589
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:46,449
Chinese lanterns how much of a pain

1590
01:16:54,270 --> 01:16:49,660
in the butt has that been really not

1591
01:16:56,370 --> 01:16:54,280
very much when we get a report there are

1592
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:56,380
several things that can be done while

1593
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,980
we're on the telephone with the witness

1594
01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:02,080
most of all is to find out how large the

1595
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:05,860
objects appear to be from the witness's

1596
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:08,170
vantage point the other thing that we

1597
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:10,090
encourage people to do before they

1598
01:17:15,330 --> 01:17:12,850
submit their written report using our

1599
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:15,340
online report form is called the

1600
01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:17,230
national weather service or the FAA

1601
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:20,760
flight service station for that area and

1602
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:24,880
request data for the velocity and

1603
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:27,730
direction of winds aloft at three six

1604
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:31,270
and nine thousand feet and encourage the

1605
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:34,510
the caller that the witness to include

1606
01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:37,630
that data with his report because what

1607
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:40,540
that data can do it can resolve the

1608
01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:42,910
question of whether the objects were

1609
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:45,640
drifting with the wind or whether they

1610
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:48,489
were going some direction opposite the

1611
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,130
wind if the latter is the case then they

1612
01:17:58,350 --> 01:17:53,440
must have been self-propelled because

1613
01:18:00,150 --> 01:17:58,360
obviously Chinese lanterns or any kind

1614
01:18:01,709 --> 01:18:00,160
of hot air balloon is going to drift

1615
01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:01,719
with the prevailing wind they're not

1616
01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:05,380
self-propelled right oh that's one thing

1617
01:18:13,260 --> 01:18:08,350
that I encourage anybody who sees one of

1618
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:13,270
these displays to do in fact if people

1619
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:14,980
would like to know if they'd like to

1620
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:18,010
read some of the more dramatic cases on

1621
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:19,870
our website we've posted a lot of them

1622
01:18:24,959 --> 01:18:23,410
on our home page so people can simply

1623
01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:24,969
click on the links that we've provided

1624
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:26,980
on our home page and it will take them

1625
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:31,510
to those reports but if they want to see

1626
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:35,170
some interesting ones the first and

1627
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:39,730
second of June 2012 there was a very

1628
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,310
good one in st. Louis about two dozen

1629
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:45,040
orange lights seen by a st. Louis police

1630
01:18:52,590 --> 01:18:48,880
officer the next day about at least a

1631
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:52,600
dozen orange lights seen just just east

1632
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:55,510
of Vancouver Washington by a group of

1633
01:19:00,280 --> 01:18:58,810
campers they probably had 50 or 100

1634
01:19:03,010 --> 01:19:00,290
campers who were watching

1635
01:19:05,020 --> 01:19:03,020
display of orange lights and they

1636
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,030
suddenly the light suddenly changed

1637
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:07,600
direction and streaked off to the north

1638
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:10,730
another interesting case is was

1639
01:19:19,210 --> 01:19:15,170
submitted by a former US astronaut the

1640
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:19,220
5th of July 2013 so just about two years

1641
01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:22,520
ago he had a dramatic sighting in Athens

1642
01:19:28,540 --> 01:19:26,150
Texas ten weeks after that a retired

1643
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:28,550
Arizona Highway Patrol officer in

1644
01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:32,720
Glendale Arizona saw an estimated 150 to

1645
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:35,080
200 of these objects

1646
01:19:41,650 --> 01:19:39,130
streaked across the sky in clusters so

1647
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:41,660
there's an abundance of reports that

1648
01:19:47,410 --> 01:19:44,300
people can read for this phenomenon

1649
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:47,420
should they be interested yes I I wanted

1650
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,490
to talk to you about what you thought

1651
01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:52,640
was the growing craft sighting but

1652
01:19:56,230 --> 01:19:54,950
before that we've had this question come

1653
01:19:58,960 --> 01:19:56,240
up a number of times on the message

1654
01:20:01,390 --> 01:19:58,970
board and that is in your own opinion

1655
01:20:04,330 --> 01:20:01,400
what would you consider is the most

1656
01:20:08,050 --> 01:20:04,340
compelling sighting that has been

1657
01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:08,060
reported to Newport well two of them

1658
01:20:12,820 --> 01:20:10,220
come to mind immediately and one I've

1659
01:20:15,550 --> 01:20:12,830
alluded to already and that is the

1660
01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:15,560
Phoenix lights case it was Thursday

1661
01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:19,310
night the 13th of March 1997

1662
01:20:25,390 --> 01:20:22,580
so almost eighteen years ago I remember

1663
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:25,400
the night that had occurred very vividly

1664
01:20:32,290 --> 01:20:29,630
clearly and what a lot of people may not

1665
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:32,300
recognize a lot of our readers may not

1666
01:20:39,550 --> 01:20:36,650
recognize is it is my suspicion the

1667
01:20:41,890 --> 01:20:39,560
president William Jefferson Clinton who

1668
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,900
was down in Florida on a golf trip down

1669
01:20:48,190 --> 01:20:44,320
there on the night of the Phoenix lights

1670
01:20:52,210 --> 01:20:48,200
may have injured his knee as a result of

1671
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:52,220
that UFO sighting very very dramatic it

1672
01:21:00,090 --> 01:20:56,480
lasted about two hours and objects were

1673
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:00,100
intercepted over the intersection of

1674
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:08,860
the two pilots that intercepted one of

1675
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,810
the objects may have chaperones the

1676
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:13,620
president down

1677
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:18,000
florida from washington DC that day they

1678
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:20,640
were passed we have reason to believe

1679
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:23,370
that they were part of the Air Force one

1680
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:25,950
an Air Force two protection group which

1681
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,210
is a very excuse me very exclusive group

1682
01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:33,300
of pilots who defend the president or

1683
01:21:39,710 --> 01:21:36,240
vice president or any dignitary when

1684
01:21:41,780 --> 01:21:39,720
they're flying being flown in Air Force

1685
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:41,790
One or any other aircraft for that

1686
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:45,120
matter so it's very interesting

1687
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:47,310
most people who have not heard me

1688
01:21:54,250 --> 01:21:49,890
lecture on this point may not be aware

1689
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:54,260
that on the 15th of March 1997 Saturday

1690
01:21:58,460 --> 01:21:56,670
President Clinton was on the front page

1691
01:22:03,260 --> 01:21:58,470
of the New York Times lying in a

1692
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:03,270
hospital bed and his alleged injury was

1693
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,920
either a ruse to allow his handlers to

1694
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:10,560
get into a military safe area in

1695
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:12,930
response to the events over Phoenix that

1696
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,410
night or perhaps he was being rushed to

1697
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,960
a waiting vehicle in a house where had

1698
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:21,120
never been before and he may have been

1699
01:22:27,260 --> 01:22:23,730
injured as he was being taken down a

1700
01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:27,270
staircase or something like that but my

1701
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:29,430
suspicion is President Clinton was

1702
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:33,150
injured when he was being moved in

1703
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:35,310
response to the declaration of a DEFCON

1704
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:40,530
3 status defense condition 3 has anyone

1705
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:43,140
ever been able to confirm that there was

1706
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:47,820
this the DEFCON 3 but Bill Hamilton

1707
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:51,570
claims he has done that and he wrote a

1708
01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:54,420
book about the Phoenix lights case I

1709
01:23:02,110 --> 01:22:57,390
have a copy of it I don't know that he's

1710
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:02,120
confirmed it I actually once called the

1711
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:05,100
office the US Air Force in the Pentagon

1712
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:08,550
US Air Force office and requested that

1713
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:11,070
information and I could hear the

1714
01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:13,770
laughter in the background really yeah

1715
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:16,830
they said well we don't reveal that but

1716
01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:18,890
I've since received a communication from

1717
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:22,230
a gentleman who's above a one-star

1718
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:25,860
general that's all I can say who says he

1719
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:27,810
knows fully well

1720
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:30,830
about the defense condition 3

1721
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:35,250
declaration because he when his office

1722
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:38,940
was affected by that DEFCON 3 on the

1723
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:41,970
13th of March 1997 he's a very

1724
01:23:49,150 --> 01:23:45,690
responsible guy and I'm inclined to

1725
01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:49,160
believe every word he says so I think I

1726
01:23:55,850 --> 01:23:53,670
think we're pretty I am pretty convinced

1727
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:55,860
that a DEFCON 3 was declared that night

1728
01:24:01,100 --> 01:23:59,340
Wow well up on the message board we had

1729
01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:01,110
a number of people asked this same

1730
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:03,030
question they wanted to know your

1731
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:06,090
opinion of advanced night vision for

1732
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:10,130
sighting UFOs I was just talking to a

1733
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:14,010
young woman who does night vision tours

1734
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:18,480
down in Sedona Arizona and I don't know

1735
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:20,300
what people are seeing with night vision

1736
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:22,890
binoculars or night vision devices I

1737
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:26,280
should call them I've seen some rather

1738
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:30,000
interesting footage that's captured with

1739
01:24:35,330 --> 01:24:32,940
video the one thing I would warn people

1740
01:24:37,730 --> 01:24:35,340
about is the Chinese have put up a

1741
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:37,740
triplet of satellites and a lot of

1742
01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:39,900
people are watching them thinking that

1743
01:24:48,980 --> 01:24:44,190
their UFOs they're not mr. Ted Molson

1744
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:48,990
out of Canada who tracks satellites has

1745
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:53,250
alerted me to those we the US Navy once

1746
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,250
had our own I was once fooled by them

1747
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:59,280
back in August of 1996 until I realized

1748
01:25:05,060 --> 01:25:01,560
what they were I started investigating

1749
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:05,070
what they could be but you have to be

1750
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:08,670
very careful about just lights in the

1751
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,290
sky even if they're seen with

1752
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:12,840
night-vision devices what I recommend

1753
01:25:18,730 --> 01:25:15,570
people do is get the kind of

1754
01:25:23,150 --> 01:25:18,740
night-vision device that allows them to

1755
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:23,160
slave it to a video camera so you can

1756
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:26,940
get a an indelible record of what is

1757
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:29,820
seen just talking about what you saw is

1758
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:32,250
not nearly as good obviously as having a

1759
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:36,110
photographic record of what you observed

1760
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:38,490
right I agree with that

1761
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:41,460
the another message up there is

1762
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:44,250
what what time of the year is your

1763
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:48,840
busiest time for reports usually July

1764
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,330
and I think it's because of the fourth

1765
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:54,480
of July and before any of the skeptics

1766
01:26:01,220 --> 01:25:57,690
jump on my statement I would encourage

1767
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:01,230
any listeners who are interested in this

1768
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:04,920
phenomenon to look at the data for the

1769
01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:07,739
4th of July for last year the year

1770
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:11,700
before that going back 5 or 10 years we

1771
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:14,610
had a very dramatic incident over Lake

1772
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:19,110
Union in Seattle last July 4th in fact I

1773
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:22,890
had several of the witnesses on the jeff

1774
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,320
ranch radio program to describe what

1775
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:27,840
they saw and of course it's the easiest

1776
01:26:32,959 --> 01:26:30,170
thing in the world to say uh fireworks

1777
01:26:36,979 --> 01:26:32,969
who would doubt what they were but they

1778
01:26:38,630 --> 01:26:36,989
were not fireworks and you can see the

1779
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:38,640
photograph that i posted to our website

1780
01:26:45,709 --> 01:26:42,450
i tried to get the seattle newspapers to

1781
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:45,719
cover the incident many many people saw

1782
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:50,010
the objects and the newspapers refused

1783
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:52,260
to cover it it was really a tragedy

1784
01:26:56,780 --> 01:26:55,050
because if they had covered it and

1785
01:26:59,209 --> 01:26:56,790
encouraged other witnesses to come

1786
01:27:02,180 --> 01:26:59,219
forward we could have done a really

1787
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,190
major investigation of what was seen

1788
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:04,800
there but newspapers have become

1789
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:08,880
pathetic feet milquetoast lapdogs that's

1790
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:14,340
all they are today ok they they no

1791
01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:17,840
longer want to carry meaningful news

1792
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:21,000
they want to carry factoids that are

1793
01:27:27,950 --> 01:27:23,910
trendy and will make sure that their

1794
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:27,960
newspaper sells but i'm i question

1795
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:29,730
whether the american people do much

1796
01:27:35,630 --> 01:27:32,280
reading anymore when I was a boy my

1797
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:35,640
family is to go to the County Library in

1798
01:27:41,959 --> 01:27:39,030
st. Louis once a week we check out books

1799
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:41,969
and read them and put them back in now

1800
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:45,360
people are relying on their handheld

1801
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:49,500
devices electronic devices and usually

1802
01:27:54,170 --> 01:27:52,050
when people call to tell me about

1803
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:54,180
something that they have seen in the

1804
01:27:58,030 --> 01:27:55,170
media

1805
01:28:03,290 --> 01:27:58,040
it is a video done by Hollywood as

1806
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:03,300
opposed to a printed book or something

1807
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:05,400
along those lines

1808
01:28:10,959 --> 01:28:07,260
there's really been a quite a dramatic

1809
01:28:13,340 --> 01:28:10,969
change in how people consume their news

1810
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:13,350
yes and I'm not sure it's for the good

1811
01:28:20,620 --> 01:28:18,420
frankly mm-hmm a question also up on the

1812
01:28:24,110 --> 01:28:20,630
message board how many international

1813
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:24,120
calls you get international calls oh we

1814
01:28:29,540 --> 01:28:26,570
got international calls almost every day

1815
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:29,550
from around the world I've gotten them

1816
01:28:34,820 --> 01:28:32,010
from Thailand from South Africa from

1817
01:28:38,919 --> 01:28:34,830
South America all over Europe from the

1818
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:38,929
UK pretty frequently and people can see

1819
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:43,380
the it reports from other nations on our

1820
01:28:50,930 --> 01:28:46,620
website they can sort all of the reports

1821
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:50,940
by state and by province and by country

1822
01:28:56,660 --> 01:28:54,719
and they can just look at the reports if

1823
01:28:59,150 --> 01:28:56,670
they have a particular interest in one

1824
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,160
country they can see all of the reports

1825
01:29:04,970 --> 01:29:02,040
from that country right now I want to

1826
01:29:06,740 --> 01:29:04,980
talk something that comes to mind to me

1827
01:29:09,169 --> 01:29:06,750
you were mentioned the clusters of

1828
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:09,179
lights and things up you know the orbs

1829
01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:12,210
or whatever it is that people are seeing

1830
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:14,940
and we had a guest on I think about two

1831
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,310
months ago that said he was he wrote a

1832
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:19,679
book on orange orbs I think that's what

1833
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:22,170
it was about but it's part of MUFON is

1834
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:23,730
actually doing some separate

1835
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:26,010
investigation that I guess he's involved

1836
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:28,500
and on that but I also want to talk

1837
01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:31,380
about what other different types of

1838
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:34,440
crafts that get reported you hear I hear

1839
01:29:38,410 --> 01:29:37,530
a lot about the triangles and that that

1840
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:38,420
intrigues me

1841
01:29:44,510 --> 01:29:42,090
you know the triangle ones the the disks

1842
01:29:48,260 --> 01:29:44,520
are not seen that's what I saw actually

1843
01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:48,270
but are not seen quite as often or am I

1844
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:50,460
wrong about that no I think you're right

1845
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:55,440
in fact if you haven't already had David

1846
01:29:59,479 --> 01:29:58,080
Marr Laurent as a guest well I am oh you

1847
01:30:02,570 --> 01:29:59,489
have he's wonderful

1848
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:02,580
yeah here's a great researcher a great

1849
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:05,880
writer as I speak I'm holding I just

1850
01:30:10,729 --> 01:30:08,730
dropped his book trying

1851
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:10,739
are UFO's an estimate of the situation

1852
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:15,300
and is to be commended for having made

1853
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:19,020
the observation that really the use of

1854
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:21,210
the term flying saucer is almost a

1855
01:30:28,220 --> 01:30:24,330
misnomer because when he invited me to

1856
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:28,230
look at my data to see how many of the

1857
01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:31,050
reports in our database were triangles

1858
01:30:37,190 --> 01:30:33,510
versus disks or lights or other things

1859
01:30:39,950 --> 01:30:37,200
like that two-thirds of the cases were

1860
01:30:45,020 --> 01:30:39,960
triangular shaped they were wedge shapes

1861
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:45,030
or or triangles or things smacking of

1862
01:30:52,130 --> 01:30:49,980
some kind of triangular formation and it

1863
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:52,140
appears that what we should have done

1864
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,920
back on the 24th of June 1947 when Ken

1865
01:31:01,070 --> 01:30:58,560
Arnold made his fateful flight over the

1866
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:01,080
Cascade Mountains we should have coined

1867
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,100
the term unidentified flying triangles

1868
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:07,440
instead of unidentified flying objects

1869
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:09,290
because most of them are triangles

1870
01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:12,690
ironically what Ken Arnold saw back in

1871
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:16,920
June of 1947 really were not discs at

1872
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:19,530
all they were sort of a scimitar shaped

1873
01:31:27,650 --> 01:31:24,690
object almost a triangle so we come up

1874
01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:27,660
with UFO by accident I'm afraid for

1875
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:31,020
flying saucer by accident certainly I

1876
01:31:36,620 --> 01:31:33,570
was kind of surprised to hear that

1877
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:36,630
how early some of the triangles have

1878
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:39,570
been seen going there are some sightings

1879
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:42,210
all the way back to the late 1800s up or

1880
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:45,090
something was reported back young I'm

1881
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:46,310
not surprised

1882
01:31:53,150 --> 01:31:49,530
they appear to be the most frequently

1883
01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:53,160
observed type of craft or type of object

1884
01:32:00,380 --> 01:31:56,360
that is seen and reported as a UFO n--

1885
01:32:04,090 --> 01:32:00,390
you're commenting on that takes me back

1886
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:04,100
to the Phoenix lights event for a moment

1887
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,380
the night of the event as I mentioned

1888
01:32:12,130 --> 01:32:10,080
earlier one of the objects at least one

1889
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,140
of the objects was intercepted by two

1890
01:32:17,540 --> 01:32:13,760
f-15cs

1891
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:17,550
see model jet fighters they were armed

1892
01:32:22,089 --> 01:32:20,610
to the teeth they also had according to

1893
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:22,099
the one witness and Aaron

1894
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:25,750
who participated in the in the intercept

1895
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:28,730
they have mounted under their starboard

1896
01:32:35,229 --> 01:32:31,610
wing what's known as a lantern - pod

1897
01:32:37,149 --> 01:32:35,239
it's a pod for night imaging and

1898
01:32:41,410 --> 01:32:37,159
navigation very sensitive very

1899
01:32:43,899 --> 01:32:41,420
sophisticated they have a magnifying

1900
01:32:46,919 --> 01:32:43,909
device in the nose of the pod that

1901
01:32:49,540 --> 01:32:46,929
allows the pilot to reach out and

1902
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:49,550
magnify a target so you can see it

1903
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:52,719
visually and get positive identification

1904
01:32:59,410 --> 01:32:56,690
this is what makes us convinced that

1905
01:33:01,660 --> 01:32:59,420
those two aircraft had been flying with

1906
01:33:04,569 --> 01:33:01,670
Air Force One and therefore her Air

1907
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:04,579
Force one earlier that day but the

1908
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:07,280
object that the lead pilot intercepted

1909
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:09,650
over Camelback Mountain which is about

1910
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:12,320
three or four miles north of Sky Harbor

1911
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:16,489
Airport was we've done the trigonometry

1912
01:33:22,540 --> 01:33:19,760
it was not less than 8,000 feet above

1913
01:33:24,879 --> 01:33:22,550
ground level and it's subtended an arc

1914
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:24,889
when viewed from the ground of 135

1915
01:33:30,459 --> 01:33:27,290
degrees anybody who's familiar with

1916
01:33:32,859 --> 01:33:30,469
trigonometry will recognize what I'm

1917
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:32,869
talking about and can easily do the

1918
01:33:39,419 --> 01:33:36,560
calculation that craft that was

1919
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:39,429
intercepted by that pilot was not less

1920
01:33:48,069 --> 01:33:44,960
than 7.4 statute miles and with seven

1921
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:48,079
point form statute miles from wingtip to

1922
01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:51,110
wingtip oh my goodness and that's why

1923
01:33:56,589 --> 01:33:53,630
the government probably panicked they

1924
01:34:00,700 --> 01:33:56,599
thought then the landing had probably

1925
01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:00,710
started and that's what induced the you

1926
01:34:07,180 --> 01:34:03,590
I presume it was the US Air Force to

1927
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,190
declare a defense condition 3 Wow I

1928
01:34:13,149 --> 01:34:09,440
never heard that part of it now from

1929
01:34:14,770 --> 01:34:13,159
what I understand this has just bits and

1930
01:34:18,510 --> 01:34:14,780
pieces that I heard but that particular

1931
01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:18,520
pilot was absolutely scared to death

1932
01:34:24,339 --> 01:34:22,369
yeah in fact he was pretty upset he

1933
01:34:27,250 --> 01:34:24,349
didn't know what he had intercepted he

1934
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:27,260
reported to his ground crew that as he

1935
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,710
sat in the cockpit of his f15 and he was

1936
01:34:35,980 --> 01:34:32,480
streaking to the south towards this

1937
01:34:38,830 --> 01:34:35,990
object the left-hand wing tip of the

1938
01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:38,840
was visible at his 9 o'clock position

1939
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:41,420
that is out the left-hand side of his

1940
01:34:47,290 --> 01:34:44,330
canopy the right-hand wingtip of the

1941
01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:47,300
craft that he was intercepting was at

1942
01:34:52,150 --> 01:34:50,060
his 3 o'clock position so the object

1943
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:52,160
that he is flying towards no doubt its

1944
01:34:58,030 --> 01:34:54,890
closing velocity at many hundreds of

1945
01:35:01,600 --> 01:34:58,040
knots filled a hundred and eighty

1946
01:35:04,330 --> 01:35:01,610
degrees of his windscreen and canopy and

1947
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:04,340
I presume that was pretty upsetting to a

1948
01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:07,130
seasoned fighter pilot to realize how

1949
01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:10,220
big the object was and it takes me to

1950
01:35:18,330 --> 01:35:13,190
the incident just over a year ago March

1951
01:35:22,830 --> 01:35:18,340
of last year when the Malaysian triple7

1952
01:35:26,740 --> 01:35:22,840
disappeared over in the vicinity of

1953
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:26,750
Indonesia and the Pacific Ocean many

1954
01:35:33,610 --> 01:35:28,850
people have asked me well how could you

1955
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:33,620
how could you hide triple7 in a UFO well

1956
01:35:40,810 --> 01:35:37,520
if the UFOs are as big as the ones that

1957
01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:40,820
were over Phoenix on the 13th of March

1958
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:44,450
1997 you could hide a triple seven in a

1959
01:35:50,410 --> 01:35:46,810
corner of the ashtray of one of those

1960
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:50,420
craft and you'd have a hard time finding

1961
01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:53,690
it again you know so we're dealing with

1962
01:35:59,920 --> 01:35:56,270
very sophisticated and in some cases

1963
01:36:01,930 --> 01:35:59,930
very large craft you know that's to me I

1964
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:01,940
think you know we talked earlier earlier

1965
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:06,260
and I mentioned I thought incident at

1966
01:36:11,860 --> 01:36:08,060
Exeter was one of the you know in the

1967
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:11,870
top 20 or 30 I think I consider Phoenix

1968
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:14,630
like this is just again my own opinion I

1969
01:36:21,940 --> 01:36:17,630
would say within the top 5 of UFO

1970
01:36:24,610 --> 01:36:21,950
sightings of all time what I yeah and in

1971
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:24,620
fact I never did finish my discussion of

1972
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:26,090
the Phoenix like you asked me for I

1973
01:36:32,140 --> 01:36:30,050
think the two leading cases and I cited

1974
01:36:34,930 --> 01:36:32,150
the Phoenix lights the other one that I

1975
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:34,940
am very interested in is the Travis

1976
01:36:41,770 --> 01:36:39,440
Walton case of November 5th 1975 I feel

1977
01:36:44,980 --> 01:36:41,780
like no Travis quite well I trust him

1978
01:36:49,570 --> 01:36:44,990
implicitly and it's important to keep in

1979
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:49,580
mind that he was he was gunned down by

1980
01:36:58,210 --> 01:36:55,490
a saucer before six witnesses and he was

1981
01:37:01,630 --> 01:36:58,220
gone and for five from the subsequent

1982
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:01,640
five days that's pretty dramatic mm-hmm

1983
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:04,610
and another one I would cite along

1984
01:37:13,210 --> 01:37:07,730
similar lines is the very strange and

1985
01:37:16,150 --> 01:37:13,220
tragic death of mr. Todd C's back in

1986
01:37:20,170 --> 01:37:16,160
August of 2002 it was Sunday August 4th

1987
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:20,180
2002 he was seen being taken up into a

1988
01:37:25,690 --> 01:37:22,250
saucer in Northumberland County

1989
01:37:29,290 --> 01:37:25,700
Pennsylvania and it took the search

1990
01:37:32,980 --> 01:37:29,300
party about another thirty nine hours to

1991
01:37:34,540 --> 01:37:32,990
find his grossly mutilated remains I've

1992
01:37:37,870 --> 01:37:34,550
talked about it until I'm blue in the

1993
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:37,880
face and the press is not going to pick

1994
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:40,730
up on it I'm afraid that's the case in

1995
01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:45,920
Pennsylvania mm-hmm right yes it

1996
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:48,920
occurred on a Sunday morning this Todd

1997
01:37:52,990 --> 01:37:49,460
C's

1998
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:53,000
aged 37 I believe very physically fit

1999
01:37:58,570 --> 01:37:55,850
he'd been a earlier in his life he had

2000
01:38:03,850 --> 01:37:58,580
been a professional wrestler or an

2001
01:38:06,010 --> 01:38:03,860
wrestler in academia and at 5:00 a.m. he

2002
01:38:08,770 --> 01:38:06,020
left his home to go up on his family

2003
01:38:10,510 --> 01:38:08,780
property on Mount Montour which is a

2004
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:10,520
high point in southern central

2005
01:38:18,820 --> 01:38:15,530
Pennsylvania and 30 minutes later for

2006
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:18,830
adult witnesses saw a man's body clad

2007
01:38:25,660 --> 01:38:21,950
only in undergarments being levitated

2008
01:38:28,270 --> 01:38:25,670
off the top of mount Mont or up a shaft

2009
01:38:32,140 --> 01:38:28,280
of what appeared to be to them to the

2010
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,150
witnesses a shaft of light like a shaft

2011
01:38:41,620 --> 01:38:35,360
of light out of a flashlight in a fog

2012
01:38:45,070 --> 01:38:41,630
bank and they had a search party was

2013
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:45,080
assembled that day they didn't find him

2014
01:38:52,090 --> 01:38:49,130
that Sunday but about 7:15 that night

2015
01:38:53,470 --> 01:38:52,100
the next night on Monday the 5th of

2016
01:38:58,420 --> 01:38:53,480
August

2017
01:39:01,210 --> 01:38:58,430
mr. C's son found human remains hanging

2018
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:01,220
above ground level in thick underbrush

2019
01:39:06,690 --> 01:39:03,290
and

2020
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:06,700
it is it's been reported to me that the

2021
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:09,770
remains were so grossly mutilated that

2022
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:11,510
not even the Sun could positively

2023
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:14,870
identify them as being the remains of

2024
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:18,800
his late father very tragic case Wow now

2025
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:22,010
for the skeptic out there you know we

2026
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:23,270
always have to think of every single

2027
01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:27,370
case and we always hear the echoes of a

2028
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:30,440
skeptic and what they would say happened

2029
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:33,890
what were they saying I'm not sure I've

2030
01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:36,020
talked to any skeptics except a few

2031
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:38,900
family members I talked to a nurse who

2032
01:39:43,690 --> 01:39:41,810
saw the remains and she reported to me

2033
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:43,700
she saw the remains in the local

2034
01:39:47,530 --> 01:39:46,490
hospital before they were taken to the

2035
01:39:51,630 --> 01:39:47,540
county morgue

2036
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:51,640
where an autopsy was performed but the

2037
01:39:58,690 --> 01:39:54,940
County Coroner of Northumberland County

2038
01:40:02,290 --> 01:39:58,700
when I talked to him briefly said under

2039
01:40:05,860 --> 01:40:02,300
no certain terms would I ever have

2040
01:40:08,020 --> 01:40:05,870
access to the autopsy report I asked him

2041
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,030
if photographs of the decedent's remains

2042
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:10,880
had been taken he said yes but you will

2043
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,030
never see them Mr Davenport hmm that's a

2044
01:40:21,130 --> 01:40:16,400
pretty tall statement those are public

2045
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:21,140
records it's not within the authority of

2046
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:25,010
a coroner to say you cannot see public

2047
01:40:33,690 --> 01:40:29,180
records so an interesting case and

2048
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:33,700
Richard Dolan has been to half the site

2049
01:40:39,850 --> 01:40:37,520
to talk to people about what happened

2050
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:39,860
during that incident very tragic case

2051
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:44,480
and the one interesting thing is that

2052
01:40:49,900 --> 01:40:47,510
this nurse described and you can read

2053
01:40:53,140 --> 01:40:49,910
her report on our website again for the

2054
01:40:57,970 --> 01:40:53,150
I believe it's the fourth of August 2002

2055
01:41:01,450 --> 01:40:57,980
if that's a Sunday she reported that the

2056
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:01,460
remains had a very peculiar metallic

2057
01:41:07,540 --> 01:41:04,490
looking object that was clamped to the

2058
01:41:10,810 --> 01:41:07,550
body and I don't know any more details

2059
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:10,820
than that my impression is it was

2060
01:41:16,469 --> 01:41:14,030
clamped to the upper arm that I'm hard

2061
01:41:22,049 --> 01:41:16,479
put to prove that statement is

2062
01:41:26,250 --> 01:41:22,059
correct so that's a if a man was killed

2063
01:41:28,949 --> 01:41:26,260
by a UFO while aboard a saucer that's a

2064
01:41:31,699 --> 01:41:28,959
pretty dramatic case by my measure yeah

2065
01:41:34,109 --> 01:41:31,709
I would say you know I I think I've

2066
01:41:36,989 --> 01:41:34,119
heard how we had someone on the show at

2067
01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:36,999
one point that was talking about some

2068
01:41:41,129 --> 01:41:39,400
possible you know human mutilations

2069
01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:41,139
along with the you know the cattle

2070
01:41:46,609 --> 01:41:43,239
mutilations you know similarities and

2071
01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:46,619
how they're mutilated but this sounds

2072
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:49,420
this sounds really dramatic and I don't

2073
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:51,820
really quite know if I want to get into

2074
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:53,940
the details of that for the listener but

2075
01:41:59,729 --> 01:41:56,289
of what you know but it does not sound

2076
01:42:01,949 --> 01:41:59,739
pretty bouncing around just a little bit

2077
01:42:02,430 --> 01:42:01,959
because of the questions on the message

2078
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:02,440
board

2079
01:42:09,839 --> 01:42:06,940
someone has asked repeatedly if you

2080
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:09,849
think that the harp can be the high

2081
01:42:16,830 --> 01:42:12,159
frequency whatever it is radar could be

2082
01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:16,840
used as passive radar no I don't I don't

2083
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:19,420
know exactly what HAARP is but my

2084
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:21,130
impression is it's just a radio

2085
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:24,610
transmitter although I will qualify my

2086
01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:26,530
statement just a little bit I commend

2087
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:28,900
the the person who submitted the

2088
01:42:35,879 --> 01:42:32,050
question for thinking along the lines of

2089
01:42:40,250 --> 01:42:35,889
passive radar it could easily be that

2090
01:42:43,529 --> 01:42:40,260
the HAARP facility is a transmitter to

2091
01:42:46,770 --> 01:42:43,539
generate a transmitted signal that is

2092
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:46,780
used as part of a passive radar system

2093
01:42:51,810 --> 01:42:49,119
obviously the person who's posed the

2094
01:42:54,419 --> 01:42:51,820
question knows what passive radar means

2095
01:42:57,620 --> 01:42:54,429
and I commend the person for a nice

2096
01:43:01,319 --> 01:42:57,630
question but I personally have no

2097
01:43:03,689 --> 01:43:01,329
knowledge of the HAARP facility and what

2098
01:43:06,209 --> 01:43:03,699
signal it broadcasts what the timing is

2099
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:06,219
what the frequency is what the power of

2100
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:09,010
it is what the antenna field may look

2101
01:43:13,410 --> 01:43:11,170
like and therefore the gain may be I

2102
01:43:17,489 --> 01:43:13,420
just don't have the technical facts on

2103
01:43:21,299 --> 01:43:17,499
it so I'm really unable to comment in a

2104
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:21,309
very intelligent fashion I'm afraid we

2105
01:43:26,129 --> 01:43:23,050
had a show a while back you were talking

2106
01:43:28,679 --> 01:43:26,139
since we're on this subject of getting

2107
01:43:30,210 --> 01:43:28,689
some type of evidence that you know this

2108
01:43:33,660 --> 01:43:30,220
is happening

2109
01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:33,670
we had Doug Trumbull on along with mark

2110
01:43:39,090 --> 01:43:36,790
D intent D Antonio I consider mark a

2111
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,100
friend by the way in for those of you

2112
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:40,960
listeners out there that are not aware

2113
01:43:47,850 --> 01:43:44,250
of mark has had some real serious health

2114
01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:47,860
issues and with his heart and we're

2115
01:43:55,170 --> 01:43:49,780
hoping he pulls through he's he's not an

2116
01:43:59,850 --> 01:43:55,180
old guy he's you know a real nice man he

2117
01:44:02,760 --> 01:43:59,860
they are working on a some type of

2118
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,770
project where they would have little

2119
01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:04,960
base units here and there that would

2120
01:44:10,230 --> 01:44:07,630
communicate with all different types of

2121
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:10,240
instruments um have you ever heard about

2122
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:12,490
anything about the the you photog

2123
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,170
project yes I have I've read about a lot

2124
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:20,080
of means of detecting UFOs people use

2125
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:23,290
magnets just all sorts of things people

2126
01:44:28,980 --> 01:44:26,890
propose that we link cell phones and so

2127
01:44:32,340 --> 01:44:28,990
on and so forth the problem with all of

2128
01:44:34,230 --> 01:44:32,350
that is for example magnetic field falls

2129
01:44:37,250 --> 01:44:34,240
off at the square of the distance

2130
01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:37,260
so detecting things with there by

2131
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:40,600
measuring their magnetic field strength

2132
01:44:44,460 --> 01:44:43,030
is probably not going to be very

2133
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,470
effective people have tried to do that

2134
01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:47,440
for decades hasn't worked very very well

2135
01:44:56,970 --> 01:44:54,460
I really think and what we need rather

2136
01:44:59,550 --> 01:44:56,980
than a bunch of teenagers with

2137
01:45:01,950 --> 01:44:59,560
cellphones what we need is the

2138
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:01,960
equivalent of ground saucer watch I'm

2139
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:04,380
surprised that MUFON hasn't done this

2140
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:08,110
I've calculated how many people you

2141
01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:10,570
would need to have at high points across

2142
01:45:16,770 --> 01:45:13,660
the United States to be able to monitor

2143
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:16,780
the entire geographical area of the

2144
01:45:22,380 --> 01:45:19,510
lower 48 and it's only between one and

2145
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:22,390
two thousand people really they're at it

2146
01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:25,330
if there are high points with binoculars

2147
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:30,220
and so on it's it's just no different

2148
01:45:37,170 --> 01:45:33,940
from a forest fire spotter system mm-hmm

2149
01:45:40,230 --> 01:45:37,180
and that's what we should be doing the

2150
01:45:44,129 --> 01:45:40,240
advantage of that is you suddenly have

2151
01:45:47,970 --> 01:45:44,139
trained observers people who know

2152
01:45:51,149 --> 01:45:47,980
who can distinguish an aircraft from a

2153
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:51,159
meteor from a an overflight of the

2154
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:53,770
International Space Station from a

2155
01:46:00,209 --> 01:45:57,280
Iridium flare and so on and so forth and

2156
01:46:02,729 --> 01:46:00,219
that is what we need and MUFON has the

2157
01:46:06,300 --> 01:46:02,739
ability to do it I've toyed with the

2158
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:06,310
idea that I don't have funding and it's

2159
01:46:10,979 --> 01:46:08,409
going to require a bit of funding so

2160
01:46:14,370 --> 01:46:10,989
everybody has binoculars cameras video

2161
01:46:17,490 --> 01:46:14,380
camcorders and so on and we're talking

2162
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:17,500
about probably a million dollars to

2163
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:21,730
outfit a couple thousand people and we

2164
01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:23,590
could have a hundred percent coverage of

2165
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:26,380
the United States with just the

2166
01:46:31,169 --> 01:46:28,570
personnel that MUFON has I think they

2167
01:46:34,050 --> 01:46:31,179
have about 10,000 members now we could

2168
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:34,060
have 24-hour daylight and nighttime

2169
01:46:39,810 --> 01:46:36,730
coverage just with the personnel they

2170
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:39,820
have as members Wow

2171
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:42,850
a question that just popped up a little

2172
01:46:48,810 --> 01:46:45,760
while ago on the message board is what

2173
01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:48,820
do you think these UFOs are hmm that

2174
01:46:52,649 --> 01:46:50,830
there's a question we all are trying to

2175
01:46:55,410 --> 01:46:52,659
get things out to well based on the

2176
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:55,420
information available to me and based on

2177
01:47:02,010 --> 01:46:57,520
my personal experience I was born in

2178
01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:02,020
Missouri 67 years ago so the show-me

2179
01:47:06,540 --> 01:47:03,880
principle is very important to me I

2180
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:06,550
don't believe anything unless I have

2181
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:09,730
some pretty good evidence to support my

2182
01:47:18,090 --> 01:47:13,449
belief but looks to me as a we're

2183
01:47:21,149 --> 01:47:18,100
dealing with spacecraft that are do not

2184
01:47:23,189 --> 01:47:21,159
originate from this planet they appear

2185
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:23,199
to be under intelligent control and

2186
01:47:28,260 --> 01:47:25,570
therefore I conclude they're being

2187
01:47:31,820 --> 01:47:28,270
controlled by alien life-forms

2188
01:47:34,649 --> 01:47:31,830
probably very intelligent very capable

2189
01:47:37,859 --> 01:47:34,659
alien life-forms and why they're not

2190
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:37,869
showing themselves overtly although that

2191
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:40,750
appears to be changing to a degree but

2192
01:47:45,959 --> 01:47:43,300
why they're not landing on every golf

2193
01:47:50,399 --> 01:47:45,969
course in America and saying teach us

2194
01:47:53,580 --> 01:47:50,409
the game of golf is unclear to me and it

2195
01:47:57,419 --> 01:47:53,590
worries me a little bit that both the

2196
01:47:57,930 --> 01:47:57,429
aliens and our government do not want

2197
01:48:00,350 --> 01:47:57,940
the America

2198
01:48:03,150 --> 01:48:00,360
people thinking about this phenomenon

2199
01:48:06,420 --> 01:48:03,160
that is what I mentioned earlier the

2200
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:06,430
possibility of collusion between an

2201
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:10,780
alien life force and alien civilization

2202
01:48:17,250 --> 01:48:14,800
and a government in this case I'm

2203
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:17,260
alluding to the US government when I

2204
01:48:20,970 --> 01:48:19,330
look at what the government is doing to

2205
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:20,980
us instead of for us

2206
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:24,330
I get very concerned it's almost as if

2207
01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:30,610
they their actions are geared to some

2208
01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:32,740
future event that they know is going to

2209
01:48:38,460 --> 01:48:36,280
take place and the debt that we've

2210
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:38,470
accumulated is a case in point

2211
01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:42,340
you know if typical game theory tells

2212
01:48:47,130 --> 01:48:44,440
you that if a meteor is going to strike

2213
01:48:50,730 --> 01:48:47,140
the planet Earth and destroy it tomorrow

2214
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:50,740
afternoon the most logical thing for a

2215
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:54,130
person to do is borrow as much money as

2216
01:48:58,980 --> 01:48:55,810
you possibly can and have the time of

2217
01:49:03,030 --> 01:48:58,990
your life conversely from the standpoint

2218
01:49:06,420 --> 01:49:03,040
of the lender the lenders most rational

2219
01:49:08,220 --> 01:49:06,430
path is to lend as much as he can

2220
01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:08,230
because if there's going to be no

2221
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:10,720
tomorrow there's no point in having

2222
01:49:17,850 --> 01:49:15,070
money in your bank account so it's

2223
01:49:21,450 --> 01:49:17,860
almost as if these people in our

2224
01:49:23,790 --> 01:49:21,460
government are acting predicated on some

2225
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:23,800
kind of future of em that they know

2226
01:49:27,180 --> 01:49:26,770
about but you and I do not that worries

2227
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:27,190
me

2228
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:29,320
what do you think about the allagash

2229
01:49:36,030 --> 01:49:33,490
case very interesting case means I agree

2230
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:36,040
and I just want to want to mention

2231
01:49:44,730 --> 01:49:38,410
something about this it ties in

2232
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:44,740
basically I I got to meet Jim Weiner and

2233
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:49,720
and Charles faults but I never met

2234
01:49:53,730 --> 01:49:51,700
there's two other people involved of

2235
01:49:59,070 --> 01:49:53,740
course but I listened to an interview

2236
01:50:04,140 --> 01:49:59,080
that Alejandro Rojas did with with with

2237
01:50:05,940 --> 01:50:04,150
Jack Weiner and it was really really a

2238
01:50:09,450 --> 01:50:05,950
good interview I suggest anyone look it

2239
01:50:12,060 --> 01:50:09,460
up on open mind so as a pad plus past

2240
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:12,070
podcast but in it you know

2241
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:16,480
toward the end he basically says that he

2242
01:50:21,419 --> 01:50:18,250
says well I've never you know said this

2243
01:50:23,819 --> 01:50:21,429
before but you know I basically was

2244
01:50:26,540 --> 01:50:23,829
given the message that it will be

2245
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:26,550
revealed and I will be part of it you

2246
01:50:33,839 --> 01:50:31,810
know and to me as far out as that sounds

2247
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:33,849
I still think that is one of the the

2248
01:50:38,910 --> 01:50:37,210
solid cases and I'm right I'm right I

2249
01:50:41,790 --> 01:50:38,920
believe those guys you know I mean that

2250
01:50:43,530 --> 01:50:41,800
was just dope i sat across and talked to

2251
01:50:47,879 --> 01:50:43,540
them personally and it's just it's like

2252
01:50:50,430 --> 01:50:47,889
Travis Walton I I get that and I think

2253
01:50:52,890 --> 01:50:50,440
you know if that's true that that's

2254
01:50:58,169 --> 01:50:52,900
really interesting because you know he's

2255
01:50:59,669 --> 01:50:58,179
a he's a man in his early 60s so you

2256
01:51:02,100 --> 01:50:59,679
never know we may see something in our

2257
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,110
lifetime it's possible you know my

2258
01:51:06,209 --> 01:51:04,239
understanding is one of the Allagash it

2259
01:51:10,379 --> 01:51:06,219
isn't the yet isn't it referred to as

2260
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:10,389
the allagash five I believe recollection

2261
01:51:16,319 --> 01:51:14,170
I believe it's four but might be I could

2262
01:51:17,939 --> 01:51:16,329
be wrong could be how one of them I

2263
01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:17,949
think is going to be a Newport Rhode

2264
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:22,150
Island on the 12th and 13th of July for

2265
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:24,760
a UFO gathering I was invited to it and

2266
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:27,730
unfortunately was not able to attend but

2267
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:30,400
I believe I recall that one of the

2268
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:34,000
Allagash I'm gonna call him abductees

2269
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:36,130
one of the Allagash abductees is going

2270
01:51:42,859 --> 01:51:40,449
to be at that gathering at Newport Rhode

2271
01:51:45,180 --> 01:51:42,869
Island here in a couple weeks or so I

2272
01:51:49,169 --> 01:51:45,190
see huh

2273
01:51:50,490 --> 01:51:49,179
okay there was a there's a lot of people

2274
01:51:52,859 --> 01:51:50,500
on the message board just to let you

2275
01:51:55,890 --> 01:51:52,869
know that really like like what you're

2276
01:51:57,569 --> 01:51:55,900
doing and someone just posted on there

2277
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:57,579
when you retire it's going to be a huge

2278
01:52:04,859 --> 01:52:01,360
loss I thought well thank you my

2279
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:04,869
gratitude to all to you and for having

2280
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:07,090
had me on and to all your loyal

2281
01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:10,090
listeners and people who follow this

2282
01:52:14,939 --> 01:52:12,670
phenomenon from my vantage point it

2283
01:52:18,089 --> 01:52:14,949
appears to be a very real phenomenon and

2284
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:18,099
if it's real it's important to all of us

2285
01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:20,530
and to all living things on this planet

2286
01:52:25,740 --> 01:52:23,260
I feel you know I appreciate the kind

2287
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:25,750
words and if people are not able to get

2288
01:52:30,450 --> 01:52:28,000
their messages into the message board

2289
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:30,460
today they can just send me an email and

2290
01:52:38,940 --> 01:52:35,340
be happy to respond to their queries and

2291
01:52:42,180 --> 01:52:38,950
to the time permitting right now I'm in

2292
01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:42,190
severe overload people may wonder how I

2293
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:44,830
managed to do it well typically I work

2294
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:47,890
or am on call two shifts a day seven

2295
01:52:54,660 --> 01:52:50,080
days a week that's the only way I can

2296
01:52:59,460 --> 01:52:54,670
handle the volume of email and reports

2297
01:53:02,580 --> 01:52:59,470
and media requests and interviews it's a

2298
01:53:04,710 --> 01:53:02,590
lot of work but it's in my opinion very

2299
01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:04,720
important work I wouldn't want the

2300
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:08,140
government to be the exclusive source of

2301
01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:10,170
information about the UFO phenomenon

2302
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:13,180
they're lying through their teeth and I

2303
01:53:19,610 --> 01:53:16,020
don't trust them anymore have you

2304
01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:19,620
someone someone had asked me one time

2305
01:53:25,260 --> 01:53:22,720
this is someone outside of the UFO field

2306
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:25,270
when I brought up kind of what you just

2307
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,060
said or something similar they said just

2308
01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:30,880
give me one fact that will prove that

2309
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:32,500
the government's been lying to us about

2310
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:36,070
UFOs you were posed that question what

2311
01:53:41,700 --> 01:53:38,500
would you say to that person just I

2312
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:41,710
would encourage that person to get his

2313
01:53:47,790 --> 01:53:44,770
or her own information by talking to

2314
01:53:49,590 --> 01:53:47,800
senior officers people who've been in

2315
01:53:54,330 --> 01:53:49,600
positions of considerable responsibility

2316
01:53:57,210 --> 01:53:54,340
in the military talk to talk to

2317
01:53:59,490 --> 01:53:57,220
astronauts Edgar Mitchell is a case in

2318
01:54:04,260 --> 01:53:59,500
point Gordon Cooper another case in

2319
01:54:06,300 --> 01:54:04,270
point I once wrote Alan Shepard he and I

2320
01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:06,310
grew up in the same town beast' Easter

2321
01:54:11,610 --> 01:54:08,740
in New Hampshire I didn't know that no

2322
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:11,620
doc he was raised in Easter he went to

2323
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:14,010
Pinkerton Academy the same high school

2324
01:54:21,300 --> 01:54:16,330
that was a third high school I attended

2325
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:21,310
and graduated from but he and I were

2326
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:24,210
graduates of the same high school and

2327
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:27,010
residents of the same town he didn't

2328
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:29,770
respond unfortunately I sent him a bunch

2329
01:54:34,020 --> 01:54:31,770
of material on what I was doing and

2330
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:34,030
pointed out that we were both from East

2331
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:36,370
Airy and graduates of the same high

2332
01:54:39,390 --> 01:54:38,890
school but that was close to the end of

2333
01:54:41,490 --> 01:54:39,400
his life

2334
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:41,500
so he may have had other considerations

2335
01:54:45,090 --> 01:54:43,060
oh absolutely

2336
01:54:47,370 --> 01:54:45,100
so Peter were right near the end right

2337
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:47,380
here again if you want to give out your

2338
01:54:51,660 --> 01:54:49,810
website and if you'd like to for the

2339
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:51,670
people in the message board if you want

2340
01:54:57,149 --> 01:54:53,770
to give out your email address or you've

2341
01:54:59,070 --> 01:54:57,159
got go ahead if anybody is listening to

2342
01:55:00,630 --> 01:54:59,080
us who's had a UFO sighting and they

2343
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:00,640
haven't reported that they can do so

2344
01:55:06,180 --> 01:55:03,040
using the online report form a blank

2345
01:55:10,770 --> 01:55:06,190
online fill in the box type report form

2346
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:10,780
at UFO Center dot-com my email address

2347
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:12,850
if they have personal messages for me

2348
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:17,170
email address is director at UFO Center

2349
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:20,800
comm and our hotline is area code two

2350
01:55:28,860 --> 01:55:24,840
zero six seven two to three thousand so

2351
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:28,870
website is UFO Center comm email is

2352
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:32,800
director at UFO Center comm and the

2353
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:36,850
hotline is to six seven two to three

2354
01:55:42,090 --> 01:55:39,010
thousand been in continuous operation

2355
01:55:43,470 --> 01:55:42,100
for almost 41 years now amazing well

2356
01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:43,480
thanks so much Peter that's the end of

2357
01:55:47,970 --> 01:55:46,120
the show well thank you very much for

2358
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:47,980
the invitation that it's been delightful

2359
01:55:55,110 --> 01:55:51,040
and it seems like about a fifteen minute

2360
01:55:56,729 --> 01:55:55,120
show but it sure when do I could talk to

2361
01:55:58,560 --> 01:55:56,739
you for a lot longer than that well I

2362
01:56:01,649 --> 01:55:58,570
want to thank everyone for helping out

2363
01:56:03,660 --> 01:56:01,659
with the show tonight Alejandro Rojas I

2364
01:56:06,300 --> 01:56:03,670
want to thank him for joining us for the

2365
01:56:07,979 --> 01:56:06,310
news again that's going to be live from

2366
01:56:10,020 --> 01:56:07,989
here on out

2367
01:56:12,660 --> 01:56:10,030
I want to thank Peggy shining for

2368
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:12,670
managing the Facebook page like us on

2369
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:14,770
Facebook for all the latest UFO news

2370
01:56:20,580 --> 01:56:18,130
next week we have Israel curiel from

2371
01:56:24,540 --> 01:56:20,590
North Carolina he's a MUFON spokesperson

2372
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:24,550
there he'll be on and I think that's

2373
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:26,560
about it for us tonight thank you all

2374
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:28,810
for listening and we'll see you next

2375
01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:30,159
week if you're listening now you are

2376
01:56:33,899 --> 01:56:31,630
supporter of the show and I want to

2377
01:56:35,780 --> 01:56:33,909
thank you for that and you can listen